Evony want to sue me for telling the truth

Evony breasts advert

I have written a number of articles on here telling the truth about what Chinese gold farmers are doing with the game Evony. What I wrote was the truth and is supported by massive evidence from elsewhere. They are just trying to bully me, for instance threatening to sue in Australia in order to make things as difficult as possible. And it is ironic that they try to use the legal system against me when they blatantly stole other people’s game mechanics and graphics in order to make Evony. Also I wonder if they are trying to be so heavy handed against the Guardian? And cheek of all cheeks they are trying to deny comment spamming this blog.

Here are the articles about Evony:

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150 comments ↓

#1 Bjorn Larsson on 08.25.09 at 6:43 am

Astonishing to say the least. Chinese companies are, unsurprisingly, clearly not accustomed to free speech thinking they can get away with cheap legal bullying such as this. Someone please respond to them with multiple Cease & Desist letters ASAP, the games industry would be a much better place without Evony LLC and/or their Chinese owner.

#2 Sertion on 08.25.09 at 7:11 am

That letter made me laugh so hard. And they trying to make you remove the content only makes it more believable…

#3 Hirvox on 08.25.09 at 3:44 pm

Also I wonder if they are trying to be so heavy handed against the Guardian?
Yes they are. The article now has the following notice:
“This article is the subject of a legal complaint from Evony LLC.”

#4 Ken on 08.25.09 at 3:46 pm

Now Evony’s lawyers will learn about the Streisand Effect.

#5 JP Sherman on 08.25.09 at 4:29 pm

@Ken
Exactly. This kind of bullying by Evony will only earn them more exposure and scorn from more corners.

It’s sick that they can use their ill gotten gain to silence criticism. They think they’ve gotten ripped before, they have no idea what they’ve just released.

Cheers Bruce, good luck and let us know how we can support you.

#6 Rob on 08.25.09 at 4:38 pm

We of the general populace are proud of you for exposing this game for what it really is, a lame attempt to make money off of people who think by the advertisements that it is a pr0n site!

#7 Ken on 08.25.09 at 4:38 pm

I blog about legal threats and their unintended consequences quite a bit. My post on this threat is here.

#8 Daniel on 08.25.09 at 4:40 pm

TBH, they cant really do anything whats to stop someone hosting there own site and publishing these articles there?
as for compensation, there is none you have done no physical harm to there reputation (they have done that themselves with their intrusive ads), the articles can be copied and pasted and put somewhere else, its not that hard.

and as for the formal apology… biggest load of shit ive seen!

and the second 3? (great one /facepalm)
they have no legal ground to stand on really.

#9 Bruce on 08.25.09 at 4:45 pm

In the interests of free speech feel free to copy and paste my Evony articles and the comments anywhere you want on the internet.

#10 The People on 08.25.09 at 4:55 pm

I’d tell them to “F*** O**” and see how they like it.
Come and have a go if you think your hard enough and all that talk.
Bollox to them and they communist so called ideals.

#11 Lisa on 08.25.09 at 6:24 pm

I came across your blog via the comment you left on cracked.com about slander. I’m glad I did!

I’m a hardcore gamer and although I prefer consoles to MMOs, I’ll be sure to pass this on to my gaming friends (of which I have MANY). Those idiots need to learn that the web is too massive for anyone to attempt to dictate and they have no business threatening to sue you.

Much love from the U.S.A.

#12 ReaperCDN on 08.25.09 at 6:28 pm

Just send back a letter or email saying the following:

LOL.

That is all.

Sincerely,

Crocodile Dundee.

That should get them going.

#13 JP Sherman on 08.25.09 at 6:29 pm

I’ve just put this story on Digg & linked to it on my own blog at SetonStun.com (click the link on my name). We can Digg this :)
http://digg.com/gaming_news/Evony_want_to_sue_me_for_telling_the_truth

#14 hotnoob on 08.25.09 at 6:57 pm

well it’s true, u’ve got a lot of posts against evony…
almost as if you want to shut it down, or… ur just trying to keep with it cause it is a hot topic that a lot of people like…

but yeah… i never new u could get sewed for junk like that…

i wounder how many people have even gotten sewed for giving bad game reviews…

#15 Mediocrates on 08.25.09 at 8:19 pm

Bruce, they’ve handed you a golden opportunity. Send ‘em an equally long legal letter detailing their nefarious business practices and demand they present proof in their defense. If they cannot prove your claims false, they must immediately cease and desist advertising for Evony. The gaming world will be forever in your debt.

#16 Sol Invictus on 08.25.09 at 9:27 pm

Keep up the good work, Bruce. The Streisand Effect has kicked in and it’s on just about every gaming news and industry website at this point. Gawker’s even run a piece on it.

#17 ChrisW on 08.25.09 at 9:38 pm

Every DAMN website I go to has an Evony Ad. They are especially NSFW and I have to be careful when opening a site.

Is there a way I can block the Ads specifically from Evony LLC? Thanks!

#18 Advice on 08.25.09 at 9:46 pm

An offence must be heard in either the jurisdiction of your home or where the offence was committed. As you can’t be tried in the internet, I’d believe it’s where you wrote it . . . likely in your home.

Unless they sue through your local justice area it is either inadmissible in court, or a frivolous suit. Either way, you have no fear, Australian Courts have no jurisdiction over any other country, (remember for the UK your legal jurisdiction goes local, national and then European and only in that order) and I believe the courts of New South Wales only have jurisdiction to hear offences committed in the Jurisdiction of New South Wales and no where else (like courts everywhere).

I’d consult a lawyer, if you haven’t already, but I’m sure you have nothing to fear, defamation certainly IS NOT heard by a supreme court. At worst get your lawyer to send a letter requesting dismissal through the New South Wales courts citing wrong jurisdiction.

Unfortunately for you some US owned, Chinese-based game developer is trying to sue you in a god-awful desert like Australia . . . I suppose at worst you’ll never be able to visit the Kangaroo’s in their native habitat, what a loss. . .

#19 Erdtirdmans on 08.25.09 at 10:17 pm

Ha, they have the nerve to sue when their whole game is built around copyright infringement and deceptive advertising.

Send back a letter that says:

“Dearest scum of the internet,

In order for something I said to qualify as defamation, it needs to be both:

1. False, and
2. Stated as a fact.

Most of what you have taken issue with are stated as my opinions and journalistic review. The rest are facts that I can, and have, verified (ie: we receive spam advertising your game almost non-stop).

Please finish your Juris Doctorate before playing lawyer.

Sincerely,
Freedom of the press”

#20 Chris on 08.26.09 at 5:02 am

Game mechanics and graphics cannot be stolen, only copied. There is a difference. (‘Stolen’ is when a person’s property is taken and they no longer possess it.)

Your comment about trusting software is a good point but it’s not a point you need to raise when you critize Evony as it takes away value from the evidence you do have.

Drop the hyperbole and stick to the facts, leave the rest for the clowns who don’t know better. Please keep up the updates, we all appreciate them!

#21 Chris on 08.26.09 at 5:06 am

Please (I forgot to say please)

#22 TinyPirate on 08.26.09 at 8:34 am

I’m going to sue you! …..IN AUSTRALIA! *durn dern durrnnnn!*

#23 Erick S on 08.26.09 at 1:06 pm

This is indeed interesting. Looks like the gloves are off. I wonder how it will develop from here.

#24 JC on 08.26.09 at 1:11 pm

Seems harsh for them to cite Chaos Engine postings, do they have access on there? I am not sure how you can be sued for postings on a private site not open to the general public!

#25 captbash on 08.26.09 at 1:39 pm

Chris, i got this from adsense official blog, hope this help us:

AdSensePro Policy
Hi everyone — thanks for your patience so far. We’ve received all of your feedback and have looked into your concerns. Any Evony ads should now point only to evonyonline.com, so having evonyonline.com on your filter list should now effectively block all Evony ads. If you still see ads after adding this URL to your filter (and it’s been over 48 hours since you’ve added it), reply to this thread and we’ll look into it.

#26 ReaperCDN on 08.26.09 at 2:41 pm

“but yeah… i never new u could get sewed for junk like that…

i wounder how many people have even gotten sewed for giving bad game reviews…”

You can’t. It’s why you’ve never heard of a case. They can try ALLLLLL they like. Bruce is protected by a ton of laws himself, and it’s not up to him to prove his innocence. In fact, I had a similar issue occur in the past, and they wanted me to travel to Europe. I don’t have that kind of cash, and basically told them they could fund my vacation (all inclusive of course) so I could go to court and laugh at them.

The very fact that they want to prosecute from another country is usually enough to laugh at the charge. You don’t abide by THEIR laws.

#27 captbash on 08.26.09 at 4:42 pm

United we fight, United to topple down the Evony empire!
Also check out my article at http://www.mmogrindhouse.com/game-news/bizarre/evony-com-threats-bloggers-dont-criticise-our-game-or-well-sue/

#28 Lusida on 08.26.09 at 7:45 pm

I will spread the word. This will be the worst advertising campaign Evony can ever imagine. Hopefully the last one. ;). Keep up the honest reviews.

#29 Chris S on 08.26.09 at 10:56 pm

The great thing about that letter is that it boils down and puts into neatly concise terms, all the atrocities and horrors purpurtrated by Evony.

Quite useful really. Thank you Mssrs Warren, McKeon and Dickson.

#30 Hamilton on 08.26.09 at 11:27 pm

This reminds me much of the McLiable civil suit case in which McDonalds sued a group of activists. Although McDonalds did win some of its points and a judgement of I think $26,000 (I forget if it is in pounds of dollars), but spent $14million (dollars) on the case.
I think the judgement was finally over turned by taking the case to the European Union. That is something those Chinese should review.

But yes, I have played Civony (prior to the name change of Evony) and saw the copyinfringements of the graphics and game mechanics.
Those who do not believe in the law of copyright now seek to use the law to defend their illegally made game. Copyright infringement occurs when “the intent” to use copyrighted material without permission is done. Thus would form a good case to discredit them.

Keep on fighting!

#31 dlb on 08.27.09 at 1:37 am

Truth is a 100% defense. That’s what those “lawyers” don’t get.

Rage on, brother. I’m tired of Evony crap everywhere I look.

#32 Kristen on 08.27.09 at 1:55 am

I’m studying law in Qld, which is similar to the law of NSW. The Supreme court is NSW can have jurisdiction to hear a matter concerning a defendant from a foreign jurisdiction. Have a look at Gutnick v Dow Jones, I have written an article on my blog about this one (http://maclawstudent.blogspot.com/2008/03/gutnick-v-dow-jones-vs-macquarie-bank.html). Basically the High Court held that Gutnick (an Australian citizen) could sue Dow Jones (based in NY I believe) as the damage to Gutnick’s reputation occured in Victoria when subscribers in Victoria to the online magazine published by Dow Jones read a defamatory article about Gutnick.

However, if you don’t show up, Evony then have to get leave of the court to hear the matter (they look at whether Australia is an appropriate jurisdiction to hear the matter etc.) and even then, unless you have assets in the jurisdiction, there is not a lot Evony can do. Unless you are suing in the defendants jurisdiction, it is often difficult to enforce an order of the court.

I too cannot stand those Evony ads, I applaud you for taking a stand against them.

#33 Kristen on 08.27.09 at 1:59 am

Also wanted to add that defamation has the defence of truth in Australia :P

#34 Funky J on 08.27.09 at 3:03 am

I really don’t want to be seen as being on the side of EvonyOnline, but I wouldn’t be so flippant with this.

I’m not a lawyer, but I have studied some media law, and there are some things you should be aware of.

The Australian high court ruling of Dow Jones V Gutnick (http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/cases/cth/high_ct/2002/56.html) established that someone could be liable for defamation in Australia even if the article was published outside of Australia.

So don’t listen to the ignorant posters who say these laws don’t apply – they do.

Australia doesn’t have the same protections of freedom of speech as other countries, and being part of the commonwealth, as a UK resident you could be summoned to face any court action by extradition if the case proceeds.

As to the burden of proof, the onus is on you to prove every accusation you’ve published, plus under NSW law you also have to prove it was published in the public interest.

There’s a wealth of information on defamation, the internet and Australian law on http://www.efa.org.au/Issues/Censor/defamation.html#truth

I do think this is just bluster to scare you into taking your posts down, but if I were you, I’d be talking to my lawyers, just in case.

#35 AngryMijets on 08.28.09 at 9:25 pm

Evony… what have you got yourself into now?

Ripped off it may be, I don’t know anything about that stuff or the Civilization series. Aside from their much-too-strong encouragement to spend every dollar you have and then some on their browser game, it is decent. I’ll never give them a nickel, even if that ad crawled down my pants. Still a good time waster though =)

They really need to stop it with the “Save the Queen with the Massive Jugs” campaign though. There is no Queen quest in it, no Queen period. All you do is build up an army and attack other players, get medals, upgrade buildings and build more armies.

Stop putting eroticism in your ads! It doesn’t exist in the actual game!

#36 DefendNowMyLord on 08.28.09 at 11:01 pm

You should put up a paypal donation link for your legal defense fund… A bully always runs from a fight.

#37 evony69 on 08.29.09 at 2:36 am

But you gotta admit, that set of boobs is pretty hot. Don’t you want access to those boobs?

#38 Dosker on 08.31.09 at 9:50 am

Hello,

I’ve studied defamation law. Never practiced it however. I am up to date with Australias current defamation laws and they could most likely commence proceedings against you. You’ll need approximately 70-100k to play ball with them but even if they were to succeed they’d most likely only be awarded 250k as 2006 legislation caps damages at this amount. They could be awarded more if they could prove special damages such as economic loss but that kind of loss in this context would be indeterminable and therefor courts would be reluctant to grant it.

Truth as others have mentioned is a complete defence to defamation. That the sting of the imputation is substantially true will suffice. As for the defence of opinion, well that’s not all it’s cracked up to be. It’s not as easy to prove as you might think.

Also anyone else who publishes your information will be just as guilty of defamation as you are so i would discourage you from advising others to reproduce your work. Seek legal advice and rephrase the allegedly defamatory phrases to avoid all doubt.

Better safe than sued.

- Regards, Dosky.

#39 James on 08.31.09 at 12:10 pm

There are some evony addicts above me ^
get a life, evony sucks

#40 Enzo on 08.31.09 at 5:35 pm

After reading your articles, it appears as though you have done everything that Evony says you did in their letter. Are you saying that you didn’t, or are you saying that you shouldn’t be accountable for your actions? I’m sure that if I wrote a series of articles saying that you “might” have plagiarized your writings, and “may have” embezzled funds from the Guardian, I’d be able to hear your screams on this side of the Atlantic. And as for the ads, sex sells. The Sun realizes that, even if the Guardian hasn’t figured it out yet.

#41 xbriannova on 08.31.09 at 6:13 pm

Evony Online sucks. Since when does a person get sued for putting his views forward? If they think they’re right, shouldn’t they be sending forward a spokesperson representing their company instead of a lawfirm?

#42 Josh on 08.31.09 at 10:08 pm

Wow… Just wow. Evony can go screw themselves from the way I see it. Keep it up Bruce, I hate Evony with a passion, as I nearly lost my job due to their ads.

#43 Sam on 09.03.09 at 3:23 am

ha ha ha… good thing i come across this blog,i wouldn’t want to put my email or my personal information to register something like this. me money be mine!

#44 em0sl4y3r on 09.03.09 at 11:00 am

well… its obvious enough what they are saying. they “did not” do any of this, some ninja spammed, ripped off, etc, and this lawyer firm thinks that they are still talking about evony/wowmine, as opposed to some other company of fail.

#45 em0sl4y3r on 09.03.09 at 11:02 am

oh, and @dosker, evony is not trying to pillage the ship, they are trying to sink it.

#46 hopeyougetsued on 09.05.09 at 8:20 am

Well I’m not sure whether you are completely aware of your freedoms, freedom of speech doesn’t really allow you to disrupt free trade, if you have a complaint about a company write a letter to the BBB. But by writing blogs and getting a bunch of followers to agree with your nonsense that is liable if written and slander if spoken. I would suggest getting a good lawyer and/or winning the lottery.

BTW where is your proof that Evony has any affiliation with WoWMine or this Eric Lam fellow. So far all I have seen are skeptic remarks toward Evony.

This is the first RTS game I have played so, I don’t know if it similar to any other RTS, but really, RTS isn’t rocket science, I’m sure anyone with programming knowledge could develop one with the right concept and ideas.

I’m sorry you got yourself into this mess by “trash talking” a game developer, perhaps this will teach you a valuable lesson on what to say or not say. Sure you can state your opinion, but without facts to support your theory, its all just a bunch of rubbish.

#47 Sander Berg on 09.05.09 at 2:27 pm

Everyone should put “evonyonline.com” in their Google AdSense competitive adfilter.

I did.

#48 AC on 09.06.09 at 11:48 am

I am delighted to learn that Warren McKeon Dickenson has confirmed that Evony LLC is an incorporated company within the United States. As you can see from the whois, Evony LLC is acting under proxy http://www.whois.net/whois/evony.com. The Go Daddy registrar https://who.godaddy.com/WhoIs.aspx?domain=evony.com&prog_id=godaddy indicates that this server address is running through:

DomainsByProxy.com
15111 N. Hayden Rd., Ste 160, PMB 353
Scottsdale, Arizona 85260
United States

The Domains By Proxy website can be located here http://www.domainsbyproxy.com/.

By reading the Domains By Proxy “Legal Issues” located in the far right tab it states:

Agreements: When you purchase Domains By Proxy’s services, you agree to all the terms and conditions contained in our Proxy Agreement, Privacy Policy and Anti-Spam Policy. If you can’t agree to the terms contained in our agreements, do not use our services. We reserve the right to revise our agreements at anytime.

Prohibitions: Domains By Proxy is not intended to be used to protect your identity if you:

- Transmit spam, viruses or harmful computer programes;
- Violate the law or infringe a third party’s trademark or copyright;
- Engage in morally objectionable activities, including but not limited to those which are child pornographic, defamatory, abusive, harassing, obscene, racist, or otherwise objectable.

Protections: Registrations are insured against loss by our Liability Insurance and backed by you Registrar’s Guarantee!

The Policy Agreement that Evony LLC have entered into with Domains By Proxy states that they must agree to all the terms and conditions. Given the evidence that exists against Evony if would appear that they are in violation of their contractual terms with Domains By Proxy on numerous accounts.

In addition, and most interestingly, Domains By Proxy state:

“If you are receiving spam, viruses, or other harmful computer programs from a domain name held by Domains By Proxy [Such as Evony], please contact the hosting provider and/or the registrar for immediate assistance. If the registrar and/or hosting provider is not responsive to your complaint, you can contact us by email at abuse@domainsbyproxy.com

The registrar for Evony.com is Go Daddy. So, Domains By Proxy are asking users to email Go Daddy to complain. That is very inconsiderate of them, I am sure Go Daddy will not appreciate a high volume of complaints from people around the world who are tired of the Evony adverts. But here is the address that Domains By Proxy are directing people to complain to http://www.godaddy.com/gdshop/spamreport/spamreport.asp?isc=goazu2001a&ci=9077. While you are there you may wish to view Bob Parsons video blogs http://www.bobparsons.me/index.php. These are actually very good because few CEOs take such an active interest in their business as Bob Parsons, who also happens to be an ex Marine. Episode 27 appears to be very relevant as it deals with search engine advertising. You can even place a comment on there for him to read.

Go Daddy 2009 commercial
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YWHtGU6zhA

A tip for Bob Parson, Rule number 17: Don’t allow any domain name registered through your company, Go Daddy, to place your online reputation at risk, especially when the Evony.com’s CEO, Eric Lam, has been sued by Microsoft for $750,000 because he has been found guilty of click fraud http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/16/business/media/16adco.html.

AC

#49 Steve on 09.08.09 at 11:23 am

many appologies if this question seems intrusive bruce,

(feel free to ignore it , for no offence is intended or implied)

but can you afford the time /effort / cost of going to Australia and legally ripping them a new a***hole?

…more to the point , is there anything we can do to help ?

#50 Steve on 09.08.09 at 11:44 am

ohh , while i think of it, microprose published civ2 , am digging through my games collection to see who published civ 4

( if any know offhand who published civ4 feel free to chip in)

may i humbley suggest notifying the games publishers of this case, and see if they wish to back (ie fund you ) in this , since it is their ( or their clients) IP that has been stolen in the first place?

i’m UK based , and a full time single dad,and have a degree in product design and management, so i know a little about IP’s and copyrights.. if you want anyone to do some ground work/ leg work on this , please feel free to E-mail me to discuss how you might like me to help.

#51 Bobbeh on 09.09.09 at 3:06 am

Just tell them they can suck it.

#52 AC on 09.10.09 at 6:13 pm

As Microsoft is taking legal action against the director of Evony for click fraud the Foreign Commonwealth Office http://ukinaustralia.fco.gov.uk/en/ and the Australian British Chamber of Commerce http://www.britishchamber.com/home should be notified that potential fraudulent accusations are being made through an Australian law firm to British companies, including the British media. This is being done on behalf of concern that appears to be setting offices up all around the world. Possibly in the bedrooms of minors claiming to be adults.

It should of course be born in mind that Evony’s legal representatives are bound to codes of conduct. If these have been breached then they could face disciplinary action. However, to my mind Warren McKeon Dickson are not gaming consultants like Mr Everiss nor are they media specialists like the Guardian, as such they can only rely on what their client chooses to share with them. But I have a distinct feeling that they will regret taking the decision to accept this particularly client, because I can smell judicial reviews, public enquires and police involvement. If criminal activity has transpired, representatives of Warren McKeon Dickson could be called to give evidence in a number of countries.

It should be pointed out that Mr Everiss’ comments in all the points raised are fair. However, he has actually omitted to mention a few important points about Evony. For the record I will list some of them here. Mr Everiss of course does not have to accept these. Rather I will allow him to exercise his professionalism as he sees fit:

- Evony is not age certified;
- Evony is played by minors (namely children) and adults;
- Evony has no parental controls and can be played without independent verification and consent from parents;
- Evony has no child protection policy;
- Evony does not have a harassment policy;
- Evony advertises that it can be played secretly, thereby inferring it can be used on company and public service computers without violating any existing statutes;
- Evony uses the allure of sex to attract users to an environment that is filled with minors;
- Evony does not list its company address, rather it hides behind a proxy;
- Evony staff are not listed as having been screened for child protection;
- Evony downloads files into the computer and as such breach their claims that it can be played secretly;
- Evony offers no safety warnings to children;
- Evony employs its users to manage its forums and engage in other areas relevant to game control, the ages of these people are unverified. As such it may be in breach of child labour laws in some states;
- Evony, unlike other games, is played 24/7. This means its users are prone to internet games addiction;
- Evony has no warnings over excessive play;
- Evony demands 24/7 play, because users monitor to see when people sleep and then attack them, this promotes anxiety;
- Evony employs the use of a roulette wheel where one can gamble real money for virtual goods;
- Evony’s growth rate is unnaturally high compared with other RTS browser games like Travian and Tribal Wars that are of the same genre;
- Evony accounts do require a substantial financial commitment compared with other RTS games.
Comparison: As I have played Real Time Strategy (RTS) for over five years at a competitive level the price index to play a core position is approximately:
Tribal Wars – £2 to 5 a week. This is for premium along with gifting premiums;
Travian – £5 to 20 a week. This is for faster building;
Evony – £20-100 a week. This is mainly for medals and continuous builds, but the price would drop once one has obtained the maximum number of settlements. However, by advertising the game one can usually obtain game benefits, in other words Evony has paid minors to advertise their game through offering them virtual rewards. This is because minors do not hold credit cards).
In contrast first person games only cost their registration and monthly fees. Very cheap in contrast but sadly not a real game, more of an arcade experience. This is why people will pay to play RTS;
- Evony has been designed to maximise financial profit. From my experience most of my money was spent on using the roulette wheel to gamble for game items;
- Evony does not claim their product has a gambling mechanism;
- Evony does not hold a gambling licence;
- Evony encourages minors to gamble;

Hopefully this may allow the readers here to see that the claims being made against Mr Everiss should have been much longer. In this context the claims being made about Evony have not really started. The reason being is that Evony is a social networking website too, because people do use the game to contact others. As there are so many minors within Evony and because the allure of sex is used to attract people to the game, it may be worth understanding a little more about social networking sites.

The Megan Meier story CNN (Now driving US legislation)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFsfDLCkfQU

The Alicia Kozakiewicz Testimony (Now assisting law enforcement)
1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyUnAcxo8NQ
2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGdldKxPock

Virtual Global Taskforce (Part of an international law enforcement initiative – Ironically active in both the UK and Australia)
http://www.virtualglobaltaskforce.com/

Given that legal charges for fraud have been issue by Microsoft against the director of Evony, adults need to ensure that they are satisfied Evony is a safe product for their children to use. As for any adults that play, they should be wise enough to make their own decisions. I made mine before Mr Everiss even addressed this issue. He is of course quite correct in his claims and thousands of users can confirm this. However, as their addresses will exist on the Evony servers, one has to say what is the likelihood of this material being lost? Well at least PayPal will be holding the addresses and evidence of those that have paid money to play Evony. I smell court orders, but I do not think Mr Everiss will be the one that will be issuing them.

Incidentally, does anyone here know if there is a game in existence based on this character http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UznxI3Z4NU8.

AC

#53 steve on 09.11.09 at 12:55 am

aha! here we go….

taken from the civ4 complete handbook.

…and i quote
“copyright 2005-2007 take-two interactive software and it’s susidiaries. developed by firaxis games. sid meiers’s civilization IV:beyond the sword,sid meiers’s civilization IV:warlords,sid meiers’s civilization IV, civ,civilization, 2K games, the 2K logo, firaxis games, the firaxis game logo and take-two interactive software are all trademarks and/or registered trademarks of take-two interactive software, inc, in the USA and other countries. Certified on XPS 410 and M1710. XPS is a registered trademark of Dell, inc.”

/end quote.

websites : http://www.take2games.co.uk
: http://www.2kgames.co.uk

snail-mail : 2K Europe,
Saxon House
2-4 Victoria Street
Windsor
Berkshire
SL4 1EN, UK

now… as it happens , i’m holding the paper work to the 1980 board game too. it was made by gibson games and was
“made under licence from Hartland Trefoil Lts, northampton, England copyright 1980 and 1988 F.G. Tresham”

although thinking about it, the logical thing to do would be to write back to the lawyers and ask them 2 simple questions.

“dear sirs,
1) have you played any of the “Sid Meiers: Civilization” games … and SPECIFICALLY, “civilization4″ ?

2)have you played “Evony” ? or as it was called a little while ago until they “re-branded” it…”Civony”

yours, sincerely…”

at which point, hopefully they’ll drop the case like a hot potato.
you might want to include the bit above about Take-Two holding the copyright as well

#54 Dllfile on 09.17.09 at 1:19 am

They are just a typical chinese company, money hungry and out to find gold any way they can. However, posting an article about something especially regarding the spam and deceiving advertising the game employs in ones right, I can put Evony LLC sucks my fat C*** all over my website and they could do nothing about it :) Let em try to use their scare tactic, they will eventually realize they are wasting their time.

#55 Will on 09.17.09 at 5:11 am

Keep up the good work. I’m proud to see somebody fighting the good fight on the internet.

#56 Charlie on 09.17.09 at 1:15 pm

You may benefit from sending the story over to the Aussie media. Im sure that like me, a lot of aussies would be upset about being used as a bullying tool.

Also, you should talk to your solicitor about the threat of litigation, as from memory there is a treaty between the United Kingdom and Australia for the enforcement of judgments.

Good luck from down under

#57 SnowBlind on 09.18.09 at 1:46 am

Holy Cree-ist!! I have seen more than a hundred of these Evony ads in a week, and decided to check it out, the ads are IN MY OPINION, very deceptive and more than misleading, I was expecting some sort of sexy babe thing, duh!. I googled it and found this site along with dozens of others all giving the downlow on the Evony BS,… The only positive info comes from their own bogus websites. You go Bruce !! These guys need to be exposed. Glad I found out before I signed on for it, not wanting to waste my time on some bunk copycat schitzoid gold farming game developers and all that.

#58 T White on 09.18.09 at 2:53 pm

Mr. Everiss is correct.

I have played Evony since the “Civony” days. I have spent no money. I recently stared on a second server to discover minor changes that make the concept of “free forever” laughable. If you want to excel in this game you’re increasingly nudged to spending money. This game is a money grab. Administration makes no effort in addressing ever present problems. Examples: Use of racist and sexist commentary, unannounced changes to game mechanics to make it more difficult to aquire necessary items without spending money, and constant marketing “begging” for money.
Change the name of this game from Evony-Free Forever to Evony-Scamming Credit Card numbers from Minors

#59 Vi on 09.19.09 at 4:14 am

Silly lawyers. FREE SPEECH.

Seriously though, I would take a picture of my middle finger, and find the chinese characters for “F*** You” and send it back, enclosed with a “Have a nice day.”

That’s just me though.

#60 Evony SUCCKKSSS on 09.20.09 at 2:54 pm

I can give you some chinese characters of F-you :) I’ll make an image of it :))…Evony is just too much, PERVERTED stupid di**s. I hope ALL ads perverted or clean be removed forever. It pisses me off alot seeing boobs alota timese >_<

#61 Evony Sucks Donkey Wang on 09.20.09 at 7:32 pm

“an offer to pay compensation for loss”

So what they’re saying is; how dare you say that we’re just exploiting people for money when we’re not, and since you say that, you gotta’ give us money, otherwise we’re gonna’ sue you for freedom of speech.

Do they not see the irony of what they’re doing, that they expect you to offer them money not to sue you….the last time I checked, that was Blackmail, you should ask them for a very hefty cheque, just to ensure that it doesnm’t reach the courts about their illegal actions

#62 DARREN on 09.21.09 at 9:42 pm

UR WILL WIN THE CASE

#63 Viden on 09.22.09 at 1:21 pm

lowl! This is hilarious. Just the fact that they are suing you makes me want to play even less. Way to go Evony! I guess they have never heard of FREE SPEECH! You know… being able to express you opinions, no matter what they are.

I just think it’s funny that the ads are over-run with scantily clad women, and has NOTHING to do with actual gameplay. So sad. Fight the good fight!

#64 Zohan on 09.23.09 at 12:50 pm

http://www.efa.org.au

Defamation Act 2005 NSW – see s 9.

#65 Cory on 09.27.09 at 4:27 am

Let us know if you have to go to court! I’m sure there’ll be support.

I can’t believe it…

#66 Matt on 09.28.09 at 2:22 am

Thumbs up from my stumble account. We need to get rid of these trashy unintegral Chinese companies.

#67 Soph on 10.13.09 at 9:55 am

Wow, they are repetitive. The word Evony just became mush by the end of the letter.

#68 RogerMcSauasge on 10.15.09 at 12:13 pm

Haha brilliant letter. Part1: We know your Eclectic. Part2: you said x, y & z. and then Part3:… can you comfirm you’re eclectic. Hopeless legal letter writing from chinese fraudsters who rely on big pictures of breasts and cloning other popular games to make yen an push malware..Uh oh…someones at the door….

#69 Jon on 10.18.09 at 2:34 pm

Scumbags. I love how they think that suing/legal action is a good way to get a result on the web.

Erm, worked really well for the MPAA/RIAA’s public relations, didn’t it?

Sort the issues, don’t sue those who mention them!

#70 Justin Liu on 10.21.09 at 3:59 am

I agree with everyone about these ads and Bruce’s assessment of them is spot on, but let’s not insinuate the Chinese people as a whole for the actions of a few. That would be plain ignorance.

#71 Alphacide on 10.21.09 at 11:35 pm

Bruce, Im behind you all the way here. The failures at evony are way out of hand.

1: Copying sprites from AOE
2: False Advertising with photos stolen from models and shopped up.
3: Ievony Malware
4: Going against advertising TOS
5: Creating and advertising from multiple domains
6: Using illigal IP modification software, so evony adds cannot be banned via IP.
7: Using multiple email accounts to spam people with advertisements.
8: Removing all posts questioning this on their forums
9: Lying to the public legaly
10: Sueing people for finding out the truth

IF YOU HATE EVONY TOO, POST THIS IN YOUR SIGNITURES-

[Evony - Fails forever, my lord.]

#72 david on 10.27.09 at 1:57 pm

evony have done it again, theyve created a new game with age of empires 3 stuff in it look >> http://2.napwar.com exactly like evony. OMG

#73 Bruce on 10.27.09 at 6:04 pm

@david
Whilst napwar plays a lot like Evony there is no evidence that it comes from the same people.

#74 George Stobbart on 10.28.09 at 1:31 am

bs, they cant sue you for using free speech

#75 Evony on 11.01.09 at 4:56 am

SILENCE AMERICAN!

HOW DARE YOU INSULT EVONY! OUR GAME IS THE VERY GREAT AND FUN! WE NO RELY OR BE WORKING WITH GOLD FARMERS OR “INTERNETS FAUDSTERS”!

I be reminding you our game is CREATIVE and FRESH and NOT RIPPED OFF!…Just like all MADE IN CHINA products!

We will be suing you in AUSTRALIA! Where you be facing the might of our KANGAROO COURTS!

*Evil laughter* YOU CANNOT STOP US AMERICAN! RESISTANCE IS FUTILE! YOUR WEAPONS ARE USELESS AGAINST OUR MINDLESS LEGIONS OF LAWYERS AND GOLD FARMERS! ALL YOUR BASES ARE BELONG TO US!

LONG LIVE CHINA! LONG LIVE CHAIRMAN MAO! LONG LIVE EVONY AND BAD GAMING!

#76 Nick on 11.01.09 at 5:50 am

Keep up the Fight, Mate. These idiots can’t get away with this Deal too much longer.

Some of the Posters in here are Absolutely brilliant Too… I salute all who Oppose this Shitty Online Game.

#77 HELLO on 11.02.09 at 2:52 am

hahaha… what a funny page this is.

i’ve been seeing these idiotic Evony adds for a couple weeks… decided to see whats up and i found this nice thread.

there is no doubt that Evony, and other games like it that it will come out in the future; are created with a purpose in mind. specifically something like Evony which is enshrouded in fraud.

we can only guess at what the reasons are… but if we use “problem-reaction-solution” we could infer that these obvious examples of internet misuse are deliberately created so that

a) we think we are unsafe from ‘cybercrime’
b) we get tricked into demanding censorship over the internet; which will simply be used against us.

think about parents of kids… if they’re fooled into demanding some kind of ‘national oversight’ of the internet then its going to become the Corponet.

dont look at this moronic game as simply a ‘moronic game’.

#78 Lawl on 11.02.09 at 5:10 am

Should be ‘wants to sue’ no?

#79 Sue Back? on 11.04.09 at 1:16 am

Why dont you sue them back? Tell them to get their ass to Europe. And umm i dont get the dean
principal part at end of letter.

Plus if they are trying to sue you for insulting evony does that mean anyone who agrees with you/insults evony here can get sued too? :|

Besides can u get sued for saying Evony adds are offensive and intrusive spam? If people think it is then the statement is true. :|

Dont take my word for any of this.

#80 M_A_L on 11.05.09 at 10:10 pm

This game is a bad ripoff of travian. I just hope you win in course. If you dont it will prove me humanity failed once more.

#81 M_A_L on 11.05.09 at 10:13 pm

sorry for a double comment but do you live there or they just sue you there?

#82 Adam on 11.06.09 at 3:24 am

This was interesting to read. I better watch out cuz I made a video about it that is getting high view counts cuz I used boobs in my thumbnail and tags.

Here is the video I made about Evony Ads… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_S6R55d_gw

#83 Scott on 11.07.09 at 10:35 am

I briefly played Evony when it first started. It had only been up for a few days and was still called Civony. All accusations made on this site are absolutely true. The original name is a blatant rip-off. All the early graphics where blatant rip-offs. It got my email hijacked. While I never spent any money on it, I had several guild mates that had their paid for items disappear.

#84 Daniel on 11.10.09 at 12:16 am

Looks like it’s true and in the public interest to me. I wouldn’t be worried. You could just collect testimonies from people who have played. (y) =)

#85 Jeff on 11.22.09 at 9:04 pm

I hate Evony. I’ve never played it but it’s advertising campaign utterly disgusts me. If that game came with a free macbbook pro, I so would not accept the macbook pro.

#86 Michael Loyst on 11.23.09 at 4:50 am

Hey Bruce, follow the lead of thepiratebay.org with how they respond to their legal threats: “It is the opinion of us and our lawyers that you are ……. morons, and
that you should please go sodomize yourself with retractable batons.”

#87 InconspicuousBarrel on 11.26.09 at 9:44 pm

I simply cannot stand all the “legal-ese” in that paper. “We have been instructed that…” (We heard that), and always putting “Evony” in quotes.

I also think it is idiotic that they call for you to “pay for any damaged caused.” How would they measure that, if anything, as you said, your articles boosted membership on Evony.

The use of the libel law is also stupid, it is an outdated law, and Evony’s use of it is stifling freedom of speech.

Thank you for reading my short rant.

#88 Generalmeldor on 11.27.09 at 4:39 am

It seems to me that the Evony ads are beginning to spread around like a virus on the internet, I see them everywhere. I don’t want to offend anybody with this but, their ads are spreading faster than the Twilight section grows at Hot Topic. It is as though society in the general areas of the world have all chosen the path to win our hearts with sex. Famous women wear skimpy outfits, television is now creeping ever so closer to the inappropriate line, and now we have Evony, attempting to attract us with sex like a porn site. Times have changed, the morals of the world are degrading, and we are all victims.

#89 NJ on 11.27.09 at 10:25 pm

preach general preach!!!!!!!!!! anyway nap war is exactly like evony Bruce except it forces u to use a little strategy when playing! it really does! when u play on the Battlefield, u have to decide where 2 move the soldiers(unlike Evony) so u should try it if u haven’t it’ll surprise u a little

#90 Anon on 11.27.09 at 10:58 pm

Refer them to Arkell vs Pressdram if this is still going on :)

#91 Poopmaster Ex on 11.29.09 at 7:40 pm

Maybe they just wanted to file the case so they could list everything that was truthfully reported as wrong with them, as a way of clearing their conscience. Accusing you of “racial slurs” was a little out there, though.

#92 Michael on 11.30.09 at 2:26 am

Rascist? lol a little retarded. Evony is a scam. It’s obvious

#93 passing by on 11.30.09 at 9:55 am

Evony is beyond suck. It is an unbalanced, boring, bug ridden, plotless, non-role playing, ghetto service for no life pukes.

#94 Evony sucks. on 12.09.09 at 7:42 pm

Evony sucks ass and their ads are so annoying. The only way they can make money is by sueing people who express the truth.

#95 MWG on 12.12.09 at 5:52 pm

Started a discussion thread about this at our Browser Games Developers Community

Article posted at: http://www.makewebgames.com/misc/chit-chat/p154942-evony-want-to-sue-bruce-everis-for-questioning-their-marketing/

#96 Jordache on 12.16.09 at 1:00 am

“Evony” is a company, and thus is singular. So Evony wants to sue you, not “want.” You could say the people at Evony want to sue you, and that would be correct, but Evony as an entity wants to sue.

#97 Learn to English on 12.17.09 at 5:29 am

@Jordache
Your belief that “Evony” is singular is correct only for American English; for British English (the English that Ken speaks — he freely admits to being British), companies, organizations (or, organisations, as Ken would spell it; care to correct him on that, too?), musical groups, etc., are plural, as in, “Aerosmith are playing at Wembley Stadium today.”

So, which is correct? Well, when you’re writing, treating companies as singular as correct (as it is for me, as I am also an American); when Ken is writing, treating companies as plural is correct.

Don’t you have anything better to do than go around (wrongly) correcting other people’s grammar on the Internet?

P.S. Ken, the folks at Evony (@Jordache: see how I avoided the plural/singular trap there?) sure do need a clue; shall we give them one?

#98 Bored on 12.17.09 at 10:55 pm

It is absolutely bull$h1t that they are trying to sue you for this. They have a disgusting advertising campaign that has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with the game itself, it is everywhere, and they are trying to sue you by completely bypassing the 1st amendment of the United States Constitution. You have EVERY RIGHT to say what you have been and they are NOT in any legal way permitted to take you to court for exercizing your freedom of speech. Leave the posts, counter sue, start a rebellion, do whatever it takes to stop this money making scam once and for all!!!!!

#99 Tim on 12.18.09 at 6:05 am

When your referred friends successfully register an Evony Game Account by a link from your iEvony URL, they will become your clients and you can get iEvony Bonus. Please see below:

iEvony Bonus = Available Quota x 12% x 10 Cents

1.Discount Quota equal to the purchase amount of your all clients.
2.Available Quota is the lesser of your recharge amount and Discount Quota.

this is a basic pyramid scheme.. duh

#100 Eric Lam the Scammer on 01.05.10 at 1:38 am

just read all theese posts. Evony is a shocker.. it doesnt get much worse than Evony

to save seeming racist i will justify my comment but this is the 3rd chineese internet buisness that completely disregards all morals in an attempt to sell something.

Selling Sex to attract people to a very bad game with no relevance to the advertisements is Dishonest.

The above list of comments and accusations directed towards Evony ( if proven true ) is Criminal

The fact that the CEO Eric Lam has or is being prosecuted by Microsoft for Click Fraud 750,000 USD shows just how much this scammer is getting away with at the end of the day.

If anything Legal action should be taken against Mr. Lam and his companies to ensure that this Web-Polution is removed

Mr. Eric Lam should be banned from any form of internet buisness. As his track record allready shows he is a Criminal.

Good luck Bruce
I cannot offer any legal advice as I am not experienced in this matter. Tho I would just like to express my extreme disgust at the tactic’s employed by Eric Lam.
and are backing for your cause.

Internet = the sharing of data (the right way)
Internet = Place to scam money for a living (scummy mr lam’s way)

#101 someone who hates this on 01.07.10 at 10:21 am

with the amount of laws theyve broken, im surprised EVONY hasnt been sued yet. There are a lot more sites posting the same views, and I just cant see why they dont just give up.

#102 paul on 01.09.10 at 12:03 pm

it a mazes me what langth evony goes to the y had the nearve of the hoilidays to give ree gifts but hang on there locked the cheast are sent to you with a letter marked xmas chest free what they tell you in the letter is you need to buy 300 c to recive the key so how is it free thease are thing there compony need to be recterfing not freedom of speach

#103 Mr. E. Paine on 01.10.10 at 5:03 pm

Interesting serious of articles, though I am amused that a Kingory advertisement appears on your blog. I assume that it’s part of an advertisement service and not one you specifically selected. It seems ironic. Good luck with the law suit.

#104 robhab on 01.11.10 at 3:51 pm

Hey…I quit playing Evony a week ago…cause the game was too hard to play and was too additive. It was taking over most of my real life… so I started to investigate the game from a human factors… looks like the game is designed to be hard and additive and to encourage addicted player to buy coins. So I post a comment last night on one of the game blogs…and WTF.. I discover my IP is permanently banned from Evony…llo (big loss).. But I was playing game and complained to Evony about hackers, abuse, and serious game bugs…NEVER got reply or help…but mention addiction…and viola… permanent ban… very telling about what this game really is.

#105 Jay on 01.13.10 at 7:48 am

Ok I discovered your website yesterday and was appalled at what i saw, baisically because it was all true and i played evony up untill today. So after seeing all this I coppied and pasted the web adress on to a alliance message and titled it “This is serious”. Guess what I can’t even log into evony anymore and that was just to my alliance, correction former alliance. Bruce you were absolutely right to tell everyone the truth I just wish I had come across this site prior to joining. Keep the faith man “the truth shall set you free” good luck to you mate.

#106 robhab on 01.14.10 at 1:06 pm

I had created off-game Skype account for my friends on Evony…so Evony cannot censor free communication among Evony players… I have been trying to rescue Evony addicts…with some luck due to the information on your website. Can you tell us the status of your lawsuit? And do your readers know about the latest Evony scam called “Dream Truce”?

#107 Generalmeldor on 01.14.10 at 11:00 pm

Robhab, what is “Dream Truce”?

#108 jm de wit on 01.20.10 at 2:44 pm

hey Bruce
the spam is one thing, hate it too
they ripped me virtually
by not exchanging gold amount 300k for lumber 60k
so when you play with real money
you can imagine loosing all of it and getting none in return

i hope all players unite and make the EvonyEmprium tumble like one of them citywalls under siege.
great !

J de wit
netherlands

#109 Justin on 01.25.10 at 11:39 pm

Evony is clearly owned by china if they think they can get away with this “Legal Bullying”. And to hunt you down like that? Also what damages! Thats just dumb there are blogs saying games like runescape suck and still they make millions in profit….. evony is for the lose.

#110 Rick on 01.30.10 at 3:40 am

I totally agree with you. being a player of the game I see how rigged it is. I foolishly enough spent real money on there and would love to be part of a lawsuit to get my money back… what a scam.

#111 great... on 02.02.10 at 8:46 pm

1st: Considering it says ”supreme Court of South Wales” yeah thats in China…. Try closer to Australia…
2nd: who gives a shi- its a damn game they can advertise all they want if i care.
3rd: whos stupid enough to spend money on an online rpg game when you dont know their background to begin with.
4th: your getting sued by a major company and expect to win.. and you wnat people to donate money to you…. good luck on that one

#112 Annoyed on 02.03.10 at 3:54 am

Hello, I have a screenshot of an Evony representative telling me repeatedly that at least one piece of information in the document they filed with the New South Wales court system is false.

Also, on almost all of the new servers, people are forced to pay for this “free” game if they want to advance. I’ll elaborate: Medals are used for advancement. On newer servers, they have greatly decreased the drop rate of medals as well as breaking the mechanic entirely (meaning medals don’t drop from what they are supposed to as stated in the game’s own tutorial).

#113 great... on 02.03.10 at 4:59 pm

thank god for amulets…

#114 Danny Mccarthy on 02.04.10 at 2:27 am

I have currently been accused of cheating by evony for using a bot program. I am innocent but when i asked for them to provide proof they said yhey dont have to. So i am going to do a chargeback. If you wan’t me to got to court with you as a witness i will as i am no cheat and it will provide proof that they are dodgy and underhanded in the way they treat people. You only nee to read the forums.
Good luck Mate

#115 generic annoyed guy #4 on 02.04.10 at 10:25 am

you know what’s really sad, as much as i’d like to see guys and girls on even terms i’ve resigned to the fact that thet’s NEVER going to happen as long as inconsiderate people or entities exist that use the sex apeal as ad campeigns, and even worse when the girls do so of their own volition, which wether it’s admitted or not, is that individual woman saying she doesn’t want to be seen the same way as men are. then again i don’t blame them that much cuz look at what men fall for, complete scams just cuz they have boobs.
yes i have mistakes in grammer and spelling, don’t care

#116 generic annoyed guy #4 on 02.04.10 at 10:28 am

by the way i stumbled upon this so your apparently going to be getting alot of views from that, personally hope that gets the word out there and deals a big blow to evony.

#117 JR Salazar on 02.12.10 at 7:15 am

The tide is turning against them. I have no doubt that you will prevail here, my lord.

#118 Cj Goff on 02.20.10 at 7:52 pm

why do you have to mess with games? i agree evony does try and get you to spend a whole bunch of money, but you dont need to. really why do poeple have to mess with games..just leave it alone. you also blacked out a bunch of the document..not sure what for..maybe they called you out and won..but agian just leave it alone

#119 Bruce on 02.20.10 at 7:58 pm

@Cj Goff
You don’t seem to understand. Evony are suing me in Australia for telling the truth about them. I can’t leave it alone.
There is nothing blacked out in the document above. In other documents I have blacked out my home address, that is all.

#120 John Spooner on 02.21.10 at 11:42 pm

Oho I’m printing this out and pass it around for “Show & Tell” for my mandatory course in law.

#121 anonymous on 02.23.10 at 2:53 am

they are also going after the guardian http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/gamesblog/2009/jul/15/games-evony-spam-internet

(notice the legal statement at the top of the article?)

#122 Captain Cook on 02.23.10 at 5:42 pm

It’s time to kick some gold-farming butt.

#123 Alex on 02.26.10 at 1:09 am

Ensemble studios should sue them for the graphics they blatantly stole from Age of Empires 2. However, since Ensemble broke up I don’t know if the graphics are still copyrighted through Microsoft. Nonetheless they are still not allowed to use those graphics. That’s just low and crappy of them to do…

And any court case or whatever that might come to light wont. It just will not happen. Plus it might be a fake signature and lawyer but I don’t know for sure. It’s kind of ironic that they sent you one.

#124 GoGetEmBruce on 03.01.10 at 5:38 pm

Yeah go for it bruce i know people now are getting put on holiday mode for sharing the same ip address, which in my eyes is totaly pathetic, it bums on seats nd mony in fat cats pockets thats all they want.

But then again they can kiss my rosey red *** do you hear that EVONY, banning for what people using the sme ip address who live in the SAME house ??

Evony guys suck they really do and their PATHETIC atempts at hitting people and blocking them is actually ILLEGAL i think for a FREE FOREVER game !

Bruce i ADMIRE your determination for this i really do :)

#125 ScrewEvony on 03.02.10 at 9:12 am

i was recently looking into evony’s fraudulent behavior and discovered this in there forums
http://bbs.evony.com/showthread.php?t=18754
if you read through this you will see another way that they screw over there players using false advertisement. I admire what you are doing. i have played evony recently and i have friends who still play and after reading your articles we have dropped our accounts with them. When they charge you for their in game coins, the paypal receipt come up as Regan Mercantile,LLC so hopefully that will help you some with digging up the truth about them. Keep it up man!!

#126 great... on 03.09.10 at 3:06 pm

alex

The graffics noone can copyright….. the engine that is used to create the game and the title of a name can be copyrighted not graffics…

#127 Great.. on 03.14.10 at 1:00 pm

title of a game*

#128 Seriously? on 03.15.10 at 10:30 pm

@Great

I dunno what you’ve been told, heard, or believe, but graphics DEFINITELY can be copyrighted. Graphics are a form of art.

Never seen paintings, jpeg’s, photos, or motion pictures (movies) copyrighted? Open your eyes.

#129 Lolpk567 on 03.18.10 at 4:53 am

I agree with you Bruce, they think they can sue ppl because of Freedom of Speech? Well according to Evony themselves, They Can, but according to Australia and U.K Population, they will Reinforce you because the British and Australians do not like to be used as tools for Economic Gains, Apparently Evony thinks they can do that just because theyre Chinese, well, for one, I HATE Communists, Two, I HATE EVONY, Three, They’re lying cheaters, who only want money for personal gains, (I.E. Personal items, and etc..) Well… Bruce, if THOUSANDS of others help you in this time, they will, Evony is just a bunch of Communist frauds who think theyre above the law, They WILL be defeated and Evony WILL DIE-OUT! Eventually U.S.A. Will just go invade China and make it become a democracy, and theyre laws of allowing hacking and malicous programs and such will be re-outlawed, and Chinese & Japanese Gold Farmers will dieout, Hacking & Scamming will aswell, and best of all, ONE LESS COMMUNIST COUNTRY! Not saying im only backing you up just cus i hate Evony and Communists, im only agreeing because theyre just suing for so called “ToS and ToU Infringement” Although you may have broken a couple, they cant sue you just because your giving them a bad review, because this can lead to them being shutdown by the U.S.A. Supreme Court, and Justice WILL be restored! Any who agree have the right to copy & paste into their opinional statements, and those who disagree have no right whatsoever to copy & paste this into their opinional for use to counter disagreeing with me, and dont say imma racist, politicalist or anything else, because i am certainly not, i have the right of the follwing:
Freedon of Speech
Political Views
Debatical Refrences
and so on, I’m a member of the U.S.A. and im proud of it, Though Obama was not a correct choice as next president of the U.S.A. Not being Racist or anything but, due to where he was born and his parents, he can be kicked Out Of Office (O.O.O) by Constitution Statement, I disagree with those defending Evony, i hope you will all see to the point that Evony is just a fail RTS game and a fail at marketing, Either you tell the truth, OR YOU GET THE F*** OUT AND NEVER COME BACK INTO GAMING INDUSTRIES AND MARKETING! Got It? You have my full support Bruce….

#130 Lolpk567 on 03.18.10 at 4:58 am

Also i disagree with Funky J, Not all of Copyrighted Statements are inforced by the Copanies themselves, infact, Sometimes their own GMs and other staff break the rules…

#131 Great.. on 03.18.10 at 4:05 pm

@seriously
Are you completely mental?!?!?!?!?
If graphics on games could be copyrighted alot of companies would be going bye bye.
valve – nintendo – EA – Bungie – Sega
And these Graphics dont even compare to Age of empires 2 at all……

#132 Great.. on 03.18.10 at 4:10 pm

@ Lolpk567
If it Weren’t for China we wouldn’t have alot of the technology we have today..
(and im also American and proud)

#133 Great.. on 03.18.10 at 5:47 pm

i bet all you guys would have a blast with http://in.ec.hithere.com/in51.html?f=700120013

#134 AEvonyPlayer on 03.28.10 at 2:49 am

I was wondering how evony determined that I had a bot on my machine when I had never used it. I was given the program by someone over email, and it was on hard drive. But never was it sued to access the game. So how did they manage to see it in order to give me a three day suspension? Are they loading some kind of sniffer onto my machine when I load the application?

#135 Brenton on 04.04.10 at 6:50 am

Quote:
Game mechanics and graphics cannot be stolen, only copied. There is a difference. (‘Stolen’ is when a person’s property is taken and they no longer possess it.)
Your comment about trusting software is a good point but it’s not a point you need to raise when you critize Evony as it takes away value from the evidence you do have.

Drop the hyperbole and stick to the facts, leave the rest for the clowns who don’t know better. Please keep up the updates, we all appreciate them! (End of quote)
Actually stealing can be in a variety of ways. You can steal intellectual property (that is the stealing of ideas, where the other person still has their ideas but you stole them and used them without crediting the person) So with Evony not giving credit to the inspiriation of their graphics essentially they are stealing.

#136 supporterofbruce on 04.13.10 at 12:14 pm

Having been plagued by their advertisements for several months now, I fully support you in your attempt to take down Evony.

However, I AM worried by the direction a few comments by readers seem to be going, which seem to border on sinophobia. Hate the company, not the ethnicity.

#137 Nicole on 04.23.10 at 3:33 am

Thanks for stickin with this :)

I am really sick of seeing these chest shot adds everywhere I go. Who actually plays this game?

#138 PLayers? on 05.05.10 at 6:03 am

Obviously this blog is not working, since over a million of players are playing it. People couldnt care less about some of the “copying.” The fact is that since people like this game what are you to do complaining about it? And your arguments have bordered on racial discrimation?

To nicole “who actually plays this game? millions of players.

#139 PLayers? on 05.05.10 at 6:11 am

Lolpz….you sad ignorant racist freak.
I truly despise you I do, first America will take over China? Dont get me started, America has over trillion due to China. China “legally” can take over America. America does not have the manpower to take over China. Your talking about revolts etc. even if they manage to take out the governemnt. America is pleading with China, making pacts with them. Not the other way. You sad ignorant fool, please look at what you are posting.

#140 PLayers? on 05.05.10 at 6:12 am

I do not approve of Evony’s marketing strategy and this threat but this is outrageous, actually reaching out this far.
End of discussion.

#141 PLayers? on 05.05.10 at 6:14 am

To add on to this, the graphics copied and stolen were not copywrited.

#142 Gordelox on 05.14.10 at 3:21 am

Please do not give in! I beg of you! Evony is the bane of social progression. They’re ad campaign makes me want to grab some home-made pipe bombs and find they’re headquarters…

#143 killman on 06.05.10 at 10:00 am

bruce i hav important info to give u. the website evony.com was created on 2003-03-28. how is this. and when i checked civony it said 2008-07-23. i hope this info will help u

#144 Kara on 06.26.10 at 6:34 pm

The adverts make me sick to my stomach. It just proves how the ‘masterminds’ behind Evony are manipulatory and apparently very stupid. Most likely, and hopefully, the game will be stabbed and the millions that fell for the advert traps will soon cry over the fact that they can’t play games to make up for their life failures.
I hope they don’t sue the rest of the world that says how their game sucks! Oh no! That would be… let’s see… Way more than they could handle.
Glad to hear you prevailed, Bruce. Not like Evony even had any sort of a chance. lolpk567 has some good points- it needs to be taken down. They don’t have a case against freedom of speech. They should be open to tons and tons of negative responses considering their greed and ignorance.

#145 will on 07.13.10 at 5:57 am

the evony lawyers will hear from me in this country we can speak how we feel and no one can critsize us they demand money for EVERYTHING in the game including talking and now they expect YOU to send THEM money well i guess they are just desperate for money maybe they should give up evony and get a job and evony I HOPE YOU ARE READING THIS COMMENT BECAUSE I WOULD GLADLY TAKE THIS TO COURT WITH YOU

#146 greatorder on 08.20.10 at 11:17 am

@Lolpk567 you tell them!

bruce, let me say, even if you do get screwed over by them, you will be an internet legend. if you screw them over, you will be no.1 internet favorite.(as well as no.1 evony desirable with them trying to sue the “%^£ out of you every week)

hmmmm… great, how much are they paying you to try to make bruce give up?

and countries don’t like being used as tools, if australia finds out about this, then evony is more than likeley completley f&^%$£” please kill off evony forever.

#147 Shawn on 09.13.10 at 5:42 pm

I love this page, I’ve recently started playing evony and my brother has decided to report evony to anyone he can. Coin sales don’t go through correctly, the free coin deals hardly ever work, and when saying any of this in the evony chat the game suddenly won’t work… but only for that one email.
I’ve written several complaints and opened several tech tickets, which have a shelf life of 5 days before they are closed and then you are asked to contact them again.
2 months later, still not a single response on any missing items or shady play. Since a lot of those free coin deals take money in a different way, I feel as though evony has it set up so they are lying and getting payoffs from the companies that offer them.

Evony should be the one sued instead.

#148 Shawn on 09.13.10 at 5:43 pm

oh and the guy who commented before me is correct, since almost everyone I talk to on th game is an Aussie :)

#149 wtfuss on 09.13.10 at 11:17 pm

I’ve been playing Evony for just about a year. While it is a complete waste of my time, and has no baring on the real world, I really don’t care if some Chinese Gazillionare is making money off me playing a game I am enjoying playing. I have purchased the $5 for $250 worth of stuff. Read the fine print. I have never had an issue. Other than some of the other players being bullies … DUH it is a war game!

Sorry you are having such a bad time with them. And for you people who are up in arms and outraged about the ads and the boobs, have you watched your tele lately?

Good luck with the whole law suit thing, but for those of you who think Evony is something it isn’t. You can’t know unless you have played it. So get off your soap box.

#150 TheMiddleMe on 09.17.10 at 4:21 pm

Maybe they can get that “Lord” to save them.

wtfuss, the word you were looking for was “bearing”. Too much Evony for you, obviously.

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