Comments on: The relentless Xbox machine rolls on http://www.bruceongames.com/2009/10/22/the-relentless-xbox-machine-rolls-on/ A veteran's view on marketing games Fri, 23 Sep 2011 19:01:38 +0000 hourly 1 By: sean http://www.bruceongames.com/2009/10/22/the-relentless-xbox-machine-rolls-on/comment-page-2/#comment-7354 sean Thu, 14 Jan 2010 15:05:52 +0000 http://www.bruceongames.com/?p=2683#comment-7354 stop bitching and buy both just get the 360 first while i agree that sony has arguably better exclusives this year you people have to wake up and realize the last gen is over third party is running **** now for every first party title there;s a third party title that is usually better and massively outsells it and 360 is by far the best system for 3rd party title also if not for the **** d pad which thankfully only a few games use these days that controller is fn perfect so much so that i modded it to work on my ps3 cause that controller is outdated **** that lots of people still like simply cause they got used to it or in some cases grew up using also online games especially shooters are far more challenging on 360 games like mw that i own in on ps3 im just average on 360 plus paradoxically it's easier to chat as ps3 allows the use of any bluetooth yet psn users are awful silent compared to live users getting into online gaming very late shows on psn use live and psn side by side and i gaurantee you will never bitch about the 4 bucks a month you may even wish psn would charge so it would get some of those features but like i said most ps3 owners are ps2 owners that missed out on a years worth of great games really 2 if you take into account ther really **** games ps3 had up till 2008 so psn seems like a great leap as this is the first console that playstation loyalists have ever played online i have no dobt ps3 will eventually outsell 360 and wii but not for the reasons sony would lead you to beleive they will do it it will be because they will support well after the new systems make it irrelavent and it will be a welfare purchase as the ps2 has been for people that can't afford next gen consoles which will probably utilise the already in existence holographic disks that have 50 to 100 times the capacity of a blu ray and as sony has'nt even began to recoup it's investment in blu ray much less profit from it their only choice would be to invest more money in an attempt to bring blu ray capacity up to a point where it's not laghable in com[parison to hvd discs people dont understand that hd dvd actually looked better than blu ray but was chosen noet for capacity but copyright protection and the fact that warner bros endorsed it to cut out the street corner dvd salesmen sony should do more for us customers i bought the launch ps3 many people didn't hoping for a price cut but insteat of a true price cut they sold a cut rate ps3 which got less and less capable with each revision the slim being the ultimate expression of a gimped ps3 meanwhile 360 has gotten better and better that loud aircraft sound has been a bad memory since 2008 it's cooler quieter and best of all i have yet to hear of this version failing it looks the same as my old one but is a very differnt beast indeed so people i actually think 360 is way better for gaming while ps3 has advantages in other areas but i buy consoles for gaming and in my opinion 360 is far better in that regard so get both systems and form an honest opinion intead of reading it and regugitating it on the internet stop bitching and buy both just get the 360 first while i agree that sony has arguably better exclusives this year you people have to wake up and realize the last gen is over third party is running **** now for every first party title there;s a third party title that is usually better and massively outsells it and 360 is by far the best system for 3rd party title also if not for the **** d pad which thankfully only a few games use these days that controller is fn perfect so much so that i modded it to work on my ps3 cause that controller is outdated **** that lots of people still like simply cause they got used to it or in some cases grew up using also online games especially shooters are far more challenging on 360 games like mw that i own in on ps3 im just average on 360 plus paradoxically it’s easier to chat as ps3 allows the use of any bluetooth yet psn users are awful silent compared to live users getting into online gaming very late shows on psn use live and psn side by side and i gaurantee you will never bitch about the 4 bucks a month you may even wish psn would charge so it would get some of those features but like i said most ps3 owners are ps2 owners that missed out on a years worth of great games really 2 if you take into account ther really **** games ps3 had up till 2008 so psn seems like a great leap as this is the first console that playstation loyalists have ever played online i have no dobt ps3 will eventually outsell 360 and wii but not for the reasons sony would lead you to beleive they will do it it will be because they will support well after the new systems make it irrelavent and it will be a welfare purchase as the ps2 has been for people that can’t afford next gen consoles which will probably utilise the already in existence holographic disks that have 50 to 100 times the capacity of a blu ray and as sony has’nt even began to recoup it’s investment in blu ray much less profit from it their only choice would be to invest more money in an attempt to bring blu ray capacity up to a point where it’s not laghable in com[parison to hvd discs people dont understand that hd dvd actually looked better than blu ray but was chosen noet for capacity but copyright protection and the fact that warner bros endorsed it to cut out the street corner dvd salesmen sony should do more for us customers i bought the launch ps3 many people didn’t hoping for a price cut but insteat of a true price cut they sold a cut rate ps3 which got less and less capable with each revision the slim being the ultimate expression of a gimped ps3 meanwhile 360 has gotten better and better that loud aircraft sound has been a bad memory since 2008 it’s cooler quieter and best of all i have yet to hear of this version failing it looks the same as my old one but is a very differnt beast indeed so people i actually think 360 is way better for gaming while ps3 has advantages in other areas but i buy consoles for gaming and in my opinion 360 is far better in that regard so get both systems and form an honest opinion intead of reading it and regugitating it on the internet

]]> By: Tim Carlisle http://www.bruceongames.com/2009/10/22/the-relentless-xbox-machine-rolls-on/comment-page-2/#comment-6596 Tim Carlisle Tue, 10 Nov 2009 14:38:09 +0000 http://www.bruceongames.com/?p=2683#comment-6596 Quite a strong debate you've started here Bruce! Comparing the two consoles (and yes having played both enough to validly comment), whilst Sony has the technology superiority with the Blu-ray player and hardware, the Xbox 360 for me has a far better online environment and much better platforms still. However with the PS3 falling in price and as of yet not charging for it's online play, there is scope to catch up. But it is still challenging to <a href="http://www.compare-xbox.com" rel="nofollow">Compare Xbox360</a> with the PS3, as each has their own merits. Quite a strong debate you’ve started here Bruce!

Comparing the two consoles (and yes having played both enough to validly comment), whilst Sony has the technology superiority with the Blu-ray player and hardware, the Xbox 360 for me has a far better online environment and much better platforms still. However with the PS3 falling in price and as of yet not charging for it’s online play, there is scope to catch up. But it is still challenging to Compare Xbox360 with the PS3, as each has their own merits.

]]> By: Walker http://www.bruceongames.com/2009/10/22/the-relentless-xbox-machine-rolls-on/comment-page-2/#comment-6580 Walker Mon, 09 Nov 2009 22:11:13 +0000 http://www.bruceongames.com/?p=2683#comment-6580 i dont get it, didnt sony sell like 800,000 mor ps3s than xbox the last several weeks, closing the lead the xbox has i dont get it, didnt sony sell like 800,000 mor ps3s than xbox the last several weeks, closing the lead the xbox has

]]> By: Don't call me Bruce http://www.bruceongames.com/2009/10/22/the-relentless-xbox-machine-rolls-on/comment-page-2/#comment-6496 Don't call me Bruce Tue, 03 Nov 2009 10:32:19 +0000 http://www.bruceongames.com/?p=2683#comment-6496 Bruce on games? Sure it's not BruceOnDrugs? This reeks of rabid fanboism and from a guy that has been professionally in the industry. It's just a console. This gen is owned by the Wii and we have healthy 2nd and 3rds. My gut feeling is that the 360 will end up 3rd. Bruce on games?

Sure it’s not BruceOnDrugs?

This reeks of rabid fanboism and from a guy that has been professionally in the industry.

It’s just a console. This gen is owned by the Wii and we have healthy 2nd and 3rds. My gut feeling is that the 360 will end up 3rd.

]]> By: Rich http://www.bruceongames.com/2009/10/22/the-relentless-xbox-machine-rolls-on/comment-page-2/#comment-6489 Rich Mon, 02 Nov 2009 21:31:52 +0000 http://www.bruceongames.com/?p=2683#comment-6489 Bruce, I think Malstrom needs to talk to you about being a Technorati: http://seanmalstrom.wordpress.com/2009/10/23/the-technocrati/ I feel you are totally missing the impact that people who have other interests besides videogames has on things. Bruce, I think Malstrom needs to talk to you about being a Technorati:
http://seanmalstrom.wordpress.com/2009/10/23/the-technocrati/

I feel you are totally missing the impact that people who have other interests besides videogames has on things.

]]> By: LBDz http://www.bruceongames.com/2009/10/22/the-relentless-xbox-machine-rolls-on/comment-page-2/#comment-6368 LBDz Mon, 26 Oct 2009 14:14:19 +0000 http://www.bruceongames.com/?p=2683#comment-6368 Well now Netflix is coming to the PS3, that shows that MS and it's 360 console is losing it's exclusive features. Now that Netflix will be coming to PS3 the console will sell much more than ever before in the USA. The partnership further solidifies the PS3 system as the most complete home entertainment hub on the market today, enabling consumers to play high-definition games, watch Blu-ray movies, listen to music, view photos, browse the Internet, and download content from PSN − from exclusive games to blockbuster movies and popular TV shows. PS3 system owners will soon enjoy an unparalleled experience watching their favorite movies and TV shows streamed instantly from Netflix, downloading from the PSN or watching Blu-ray/DVD media. The Netflix offering expands on the entertainment experience delivered to PS3 system owners via PSN. For only $8.99 a month, Netflix members can instantly watch unlimited movies and TV episodes streamed to their TVs and computers via Netflix ready devices such as the PS3 system and can receive unlimited DVDs delivered quickly to their homes. Well now Netflix is coming to the PS3, that shows that MS and it’s 360 console is losing it’s exclusive features. Now that Netflix will be coming to PS3 the console will sell much more than ever before in the USA.

The partnership further solidifies the PS3 system as the most complete home entertainment hub on the market today, enabling consumers to play high-definition games, watch Blu-ray movies, listen to music, view photos, browse the Internet, and download content from PSN − from exclusive games to blockbuster movies and popular TV shows. PS3 system owners will soon enjoy an unparalleled experience watching their favorite movies and TV shows streamed instantly from Netflix, downloading from the PSN or watching Blu-ray/DVD media. The Netflix offering expands on the entertainment experience delivered to PS3 system owners via PSN.

For only $8.99 a month, Netflix members can instantly watch unlimited movies and TV episodes streamed to their TVs and computers via Netflix ready devices such as the PS3 system and can receive unlimited DVDs delivered quickly to their homes.

]]> By: woodins http://www.bruceongames.com/2009/10/22/the-relentless-xbox-machine-rolls-on/comment-page-2/#comment-6363 woodins Mon, 26 Oct 2009 13:29:23 +0000 http://www.bruceongames.com/?p=2683#comment-6363 The big "three" (or four, if Apple bring out a console) should all sit down together, devise a standardised machine that is easy to work with, and then all they have to concentrate on is fighting over each other with their content. Oh no wait, thats been done already, there was a machine out once called a "PC" . . . . . .Damn bitorrent lol. The big “three” (or four, if Apple bring out a console) should all sit down together, devise a standardised machine that is easy to work with, and then all they have to concentrate on is fighting over each other with their content. Oh no wait, thats been done already, there was a machine out once called a “PC” . . . . . .Damn bitorrent lol.

]]> By: ErdTirdMans http://www.bruceongames.com/2009/10/22/the-relentless-xbox-machine-rolls-on/comment-page-2/#comment-6362 ErdTirdMans Mon, 26 Oct 2009 12:31:35 +0000 http://www.bruceongames.com/?p=2683#comment-6362 Also, woodins (commenter #48) is a brilliant individual. Also, woodins (commenter #48) is a brilliant individual.

]]> By: ErdTirdMans http://www.bruceongames.com/2009/10/22/the-relentless-xbox-machine-rolls-on/comment-page-2/#comment-6361 ErdTirdMans Mon, 26 Oct 2009 12:25:35 +0000 http://www.bruceongames.com/?p=2683#comment-6361 I think you are significantly overstating things, Bruce... On XBox's library: Just about every game that rates well on 360 either gets ported or has a comparable PS3 equivalent. Notable exceptions include The Orange Box (also on PC), Gears of War 2 (yet another shooter), Ninja Gaiden 2, and Banjo-Kazooie. That said, they've done very well attracting American developers - this is the sole source of their success. The indie game scene on XBL is pretty fair as consoles go, but iPhones far outmatch that. On XBL: Its success is related - I believe - to their earlier release and pricepoint. The competition features totally free multiplayer, and though Nintendo has been reticent to deploy this in any mentionable fashion, the PSN is a thriving community. Nothing like XBL of course (again: price and time), but still significant. On Natal: As much of a drooling technophile as I am, I don't believe Natal will change how we interact with games. It's too new for the fine control that serious games require, and MS is too late to compete in casual games (re: Nintendo). It *will* be a paradigm shift for how we interact with media devices (menus, remote-free handling), but seeing as Blu-Ray will start outselling regular DVDs by 2012, the future gains from this aspect are negligible. Natal will be the archetype for the future of all media devices - PS4, XBOX720, and Nintendo WiiPlus, Blu-Ray Players, Media Center PCs, the terminals at your local aquarium... everything. On Digital Download: If they plan to phase out tactile media, they'd better release a huge hard drive. None of the big three are in a position to oust physical media;. Not with the kind of sales they want. Memory is cheap nowadays, but not *that* cheap. I'm just as excited as you about all the wonderful things we've gotten out of this competition between Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo, and far be it from me to disagree with an industry vet, but I think you've significantly overstated the matter. I think you meant to write "Microsoft is in a serious power position lately. Their mistakes this generation have been negligible, and though the future is cloudy thanks to Sony finally getting their act together and Nintendo being so dominant in their push for a broader target market, one thing is for sure: the 360 will be an important piece of gaming - and media - history." I agree with /that/ all the way. I think you are significantly overstating things, Bruce…

On XBox’s library: Just about every game that rates well on 360 either gets ported or has a comparable PS3 equivalent. Notable exceptions include The Orange Box (also on PC), Gears of War 2 (yet another shooter), Ninja Gaiden 2, and Banjo-Kazooie. That said, they’ve done very well attracting American developers – this is the sole source of their success. The indie game scene on XBL is pretty fair as consoles go, but iPhones far outmatch that.

On XBL: Its success is related – I believe – to their earlier release and pricepoint. The competition features totally free multiplayer, and though Nintendo has been reticent to deploy this in any mentionable fashion, the PSN is a thriving community. Nothing like XBL of course (again: price and time), but still significant.

On Natal: As much of a drooling technophile as I am, I don’t believe Natal will change how we interact with games. It’s too new for the fine control that serious games require, and MS is too late to compete in casual games (re: Nintendo). It *will* be a paradigm shift for how we interact with media devices (menus, remote-free handling), but seeing as Blu-Ray will start outselling regular DVDs by 2012, the future gains from this aspect are negligible. Natal will be the archetype for the future of all media devices – PS4, XBOX720, and Nintendo WiiPlus, Blu-Ray Players, Media Center PCs, the terminals at your local aquarium… everything.

On Digital Download: If they plan to phase out tactile media, they’d better release a huge hard drive. None of the big three are in a position to oust physical media;. Not with the kind of sales they want. Memory is cheap nowadays, but not *that* cheap.

I’m just as excited as you about all the wonderful things we’ve gotten out of this competition between Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo, and far be it from me to disagree with an industry vet, but I think you’ve significantly overstated the matter.

I think you meant to write “Microsoft is in a serious power position lately. Their mistakes this generation have been negligible, and though the future is cloudy thanks to Sony finally getting their act together and Nintendo being so dominant in their push for a broader target market, one thing is for sure: the 360 will be an important piece of gaming – and media – history.” I agree with /that/ all the way.

]]> By: Wildreamz http://www.bruceongames.com/2009/10/22/the-relentless-xbox-machine-rolls-on/comment-page-2/#comment-6360 Wildreamz Mon, 26 Oct 2009 12:12:47 +0000 http://www.bruceongames.com/?p=2683#comment-6360 @Docred Very nice post:) Marketing is the name of the game for sales, definitely. Beyond that, to choose a system that suits you, as the consumer the most, technical superiority or marketing might not be relevant any longer. It is the system that best suit your individual needs that matters. For me, I need the media capability, free PSN and the exclusive games PS3 provide, so the PS3 was the obvious choice. For people that prefer the Halo and Gears, 360 is the obvious choice. For casual gamers, the Wii is the obvious choice. Thats all that mattered isn't it? @Docred

Very nice post:)

Marketing is the name of the game for sales, definitely.

Beyond that, to choose a system that suits you, as the consumer the most, technical superiority or marketing might not be relevant any longer. It is the system that best suit your individual needs that matters.

For me, I need the media capability, free PSN and the exclusive games PS3 provide, so the PS3 was the obvious choice. For people that prefer the Halo and Gears, 360 is the obvious choice. For casual gamers, the Wii is the obvious choice.

Thats all that mattered isn’t it?

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