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	<title>Comments on: More about Evony</title>
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		<title>By: Lisa</title>
		<link>http://www.bruceongames.com/2009/07/15/more-about-evony/comment-page-2/#comment-9431</link>
		<dc:creator>Lisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Oct 2010 03:28:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find your persistent stress on the phrase “Chinese gold farmers” quite confusing. Granted, the guy is Chinese, he owns a gold farming practice in China, but what does that have to do with Evony itself? Because Evony, as a program, does gold farming, Chinese style?

Seems like an ad hominem attack.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find your persistent stress on the phrase “Chinese gold farmers” quite confusing. Granted, the guy is Chinese, he owns a gold farming practice in China, but what does that have to do with Evony itself? Because Evony, as a program, does gold farming, Chinese style?</p>
<p>Seems like an ad hominem attack.</p>
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		<title>By: DejaVu</title>
		<link>http://www.bruceongames.com/2009/07/15/more-about-evony/comment-page-2/#comment-9315</link>
		<dc:creator>DejaVu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jul 2010 12:15:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, I must admit I played the game for a year and a half and thoroughly enjoyed every minute of it. I even spent the occasional $30 US on it to get items to allow me to enjoy it further. That is until last month....

June 18, 2010 numerous charges appeared on my paypal account to Regan Mercantile which is evony&#039;s source for payments through paypal. I recognized it from the few times I actually did pay. What was wrong this time? Monthly recurring subscriptions at $30 US a pop repeatedly that I did not authorize, the end total came to a bounced checking account of over $1100 US!!!

Between paypal and my bank account I have a fraud investigation going as there is no way in hell that I would allow this to happen. Both are being extremely helpful and understanding. They also brought to my attention that it was further a weird situation that even after my bank account and c/c had refused further action and was rejecting the payments, suddenly money was being sent back into my account so more money could be charged against it. My bank said they had never seen anything like this.

Now to evony&#039;s side of the issue. After they were contacted about the issue the only answer I got from them was to pay for all of the rejected payments in full. They refused to go back and restore my account to what it was before this happened. They did not care that my paypal account was somehow accessed without permission. The end result on their side is that my account is permanently frozen in holiday mode and they will not unfreeze it until they get the money they want which is a ridiculous amount.

On my side, I am done with the game completely. I have closed the paypal account and the associated bank account due to this issue. I now have gone back to the games I used to play and am spreading word everywhere that I can to warn others from getting caught in this same scam. I have told them I will not pay for something I didn&#039;t authorize them to take in the first place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, I must admit I played the game for a year and a half and thoroughly enjoyed every minute of it. I even spent the occasional $30 US on it to get items to allow me to enjoy it further. That is until last month&#8230;.</p>
<p>June 18, 2010 numerous charges appeared on my paypal account to Regan Mercantile which is evony&#8217;s source for payments through paypal. I recognized it from the few times I actually did pay. What was wrong this time? Monthly recurring subscriptions at $30 US a pop repeatedly that I did not authorize, the end total came to a bounced checking account of over $1100 US!!!</p>
<p>Between paypal and my bank account I have a fraud investigation going as there is no way in hell that I would allow this to happen. Both are being extremely helpful and understanding. They also brought to my attention that it was further a weird situation that even after my bank account and c/c had refused further action and was rejecting the payments, suddenly money was being sent back into my account so more money could be charged against it. My bank said they had never seen anything like this.</p>
<p>Now to evony&#8217;s side of the issue. After they were contacted about the issue the only answer I got from them was to pay for all of the rejected payments in full. They refused to go back and restore my account to what it was before this happened. They did not care that my paypal account was somehow accessed without permission. The end result on their side is that my account is permanently frozen in holiday mode and they will not unfreeze it until they get the money they want which is a ridiculous amount.</p>
<p>On my side, I am done with the game completely. I have closed the paypal account and the associated bank account due to this issue. I now have gone back to the games I used to play and am spreading word everywhere that I can to warn others from getting caught in this same scam. I have told them I will not pay for something I didn&#8217;t authorize them to take in the first place.</p>
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		<title>By: Jerry J</title>
		<link>http://www.bruceongames.com/2009/07/15/more-about-evony/comment-page-2/#comment-9312</link>
		<dc:creator>Jerry J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jul 2010 04:09:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was  suspicious  of Evony after the first week. 
  
1:   English language accuracy was low level, resulting in huge confusion for  beginners (ie - the persistent use of the  word  &quot;valley&quot; , when its actually a resource location)

2:  Confusing terminology between  Rank and Title

3:  Wiki page is too extensive covering basics, but lacking in specifics.   No usefull  search engine therein !

4:  Subscribers who initially  enjoy the game, become frustrated with lack of advancement, so they have to purchase items to continue.

5:  Now  it  gets insidious.   A Medal Box is advertised as 88-cents  to purchase.  Its real cost is  $10  USD minimum

6:  You will never understand  all the  rules !  There  are  so many products and enhancements to achieve or purchase, for you to continue.   Your better  devoting the time to get a real Law Degree.

7:  The game is full of &#039;shills&#039;   If you make a negative  comment  in World Chat, you will get 4 or 5 immediate whispers countering your  opinion.   Then, unsurprisingly, you don&#039;t have  enough cents to further comment in public chat.  But you can purchase cents to allow you to continue.  Strange, huh ?

8:  There  is  no end  result  or  winner !  I suspect the top ranked Hosts and Lords are game employees, managing and farming the game.

9:  You cannot  appeal or  dispute an action or result that you have incurred.    Because  .............

10:    The developers are making up the rules as they go along  As well they  can adjust settings, tables, algorithims or what ever they want to their advantage.

CONCLUSION:     Try the game.    Don&#039;t get too emotional with it.     Quit when you feel your  compelled to buy a Medal to advance.   These developers  make  me  nervous about protecting  my  c/card.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was  suspicious  of Evony after the first week. </p>
<p>1:   English language accuracy was low level, resulting in huge confusion for  beginners (ie &#8211; the persistent use of the  word  &#8220;valley&#8221; , when its actually a resource location)</p>
<p>2:  Confusing terminology between  Rank and Title</p>
<p>3:  Wiki page is too extensive covering basics, but lacking in specifics.   No usefull  search engine therein !</p>
<p>4:  Subscribers who initially  enjoy the game, become frustrated with lack of advancement, so they have to purchase items to continue.</p>
<p>5:  Now  it  gets insidious.   A Medal Box is advertised as 88-cents  to purchase.  Its real cost is  $10  USD minimum</p>
<p>6:  You will never understand  all the  rules !  There  are  so many products and enhancements to achieve or purchase, for you to continue.   Your better  devoting the time to get a real Law Degree.</p>
<p>7:  The game is full of &#8216;shills&#8217;   If you make a negative  comment  in World Chat, you will get 4 or 5 immediate whispers countering your  opinion.   Then, unsurprisingly, you don&#8217;t have  enough cents to further comment in public chat.  But you can purchase cents to allow you to continue.  Strange, huh ?</p>
<p>8:  There  is  no end  result  or  winner !  I suspect the top ranked Hosts and Lords are game employees, managing and farming the game.</p>
<p>9:  You cannot  appeal or  dispute an action or result that you have incurred.    Because  &#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
<p>10:    The developers are making up the rules as they go along  As well they  can adjust settings, tables, algorithims or what ever they want to their advantage.</p>
<p>CONCLUSION:     Try the game.    Don&#8217;t get too emotional with it.     Quit when you feel your  compelled to buy a Medal to advance.   These developers  make  me  nervous about protecting  my  c/card.</p>
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		<title>By: J6 Aqw Mod</title>
		<link>http://www.bruceongames.com/2009/07/15/more-about-evony/comment-page-2/#comment-9230</link>
		<dc:creator>J6 Aqw Mod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jun 2010 22:02:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When i saw this blog i felt myself so sad of the people that pay there money to this at least i can&#039;t play the game because it won&#039;t let me go on the server they just copy world of warcraft,runescape some other games and now more scams are coming evrybody lets kick these scammers A**</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When i saw this blog i felt myself so sad of the people that pay there money to this at least i can&#8217;t play the game because it won&#8217;t let me go on the server they just copy world of warcraft,runescape some other games and now more scams are coming evrybody lets kick these scammers A**</p>
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		<title>By: Derrick</title>
		<link>http://www.bruceongames.com/2009/07/15/more-about-evony/comment-page-2/#comment-9222</link>
		<dc:creator>Derrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jun 2010 19:22:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also if u guys want to warn more ppl u should go to their Facebook official page.Yes evony has expanded to FB now and are stealing ppl&#039;s money by the minute now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also if u guys want to warn more ppl u should go to their Facebook official page.Yes evony has expanded to FB now and are stealing ppl&#8217;s money by the minute now.</p>
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		<title>By: Derrick</title>
		<link>http://www.bruceongames.com/2009/07/15/more-about-evony/comment-page-2/#comment-9221</link>
		<dc:creator>Derrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jun 2010 19:18:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Bruce i wanted to add something here.....I played evony.I spent $120 on the game.Not only did the game &quot;Glitch&quot; a little while afterwards i lost everything i paid for.I tried contacting them the only way they have available.Which is thru email.Its been over 1 month and still no response.I did how ever get an automated response that everyone gets when they tried to contact evony.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Bruce i wanted to add something here&#8230;..I played evony.I spent $120 on the game.Not only did the game &#8220;Glitch&#8221; a little while afterwards i lost everything i paid for.I tried contacting them the only way they have available.Which is thru email.Its been over 1 month and still no response.I did how ever get an automated response that everyone gets when they tried to contact evony.</p>
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		<title>By: Jougal</title>
		<link>http://www.bruceongames.com/2009/07/15/more-about-evony/comment-page-2/#comment-9208</link>
		<dc:creator>Jougal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 May 2010 08:53:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The phrase &quot;Chinese Gold Farming&quot; is not racist.  If it offends you, fine but its not racist.  Is a &quot;Mexican Hat Dance&quot; racist or &quot;British Bull Dog&quot; racist or even a game of &quot;Russian Roulet&quot;.   Gold farming was as far as I know invented in China.  If it wanst, I stand corrected but the Chinese did perfected it.  If it was invented and perfected and done primarily in Italy it would be &quot;Italian Gold Farming&quot;.  

The chinese people as a race have just as many scammers and shady individuals per capita as every other race.  Deal with it.  If you are of Chinese decent the phrase &quot;Chinese Gold Farmer&quot; doesnt apply to you nor is it directed at you.  Unless you also farm gold for real world money.  

If bruce wanted to make it racist he would have left off the gold farmer bit and just said &quot;Would you want a Chinese person in your compter.&quot;  Im not a racist and I dont defend racism.  But Im sick of reading and hearing people cry foul of racisim simply because they feel insulted.  Lets all grow an extra layer of skin.

Be Well!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The phrase &#8220;Chinese Gold Farming&#8221; is not racist.  If it offends you, fine but its not racist.  Is a &#8220;Mexican Hat Dance&#8221; racist or &#8220;British Bull Dog&#8221; racist or even a game of &#8220;Russian Roulet&#8221;.   Gold farming was as far as I know invented in China.  If it wanst, I stand corrected but the Chinese did perfected it.  If it was invented and perfected and done primarily in Italy it would be &#8220;Italian Gold Farming&#8221;.  </p>
<p>The chinese people as a race have just as many scammers and shady individuals per capita as every other race.  Deal with it.  If you are of Chinese decent the phrase &#8220;Chinese Gold Farmer&#8221; doesnt apply to you nor is it directed at you.  Unless you also farm gold for real world money.  </p>
<p>If bruce wanted to make it racist he would have left off the gold farmer bit and just said &#8220;Would you want a Chinese person in your compter.&#8221;  Im not a racist and I dont defend racism.  But Im sick of reading and hearing people cry foul of racisim simply because they feel insulted.  Lets all grow an extra layer of skin.</p>
<p>Be Well!</p>
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		<title>By: Charley Scene</title>
		<link>http://www.bruceongames.com/2009/07/15/more-about-evony/comment-page-2/#comment-9157</link>
		<dc:creator>Charley Scene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 May 2010 14:01:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ok first off, i doubt you can play evony in china, their retarded communist leaders have a fire wall on their internet. plus in the game RuneScape, most gold farming has been put down as it is illegal in that game. and you cant farm in Club Penguin. as for Evony, thats just the type of game it is. i dont think they coppied any other games eather. i was slightly dissapointed that the chicks in the adverts wernt in game. but i was looking for a free game to play and i quickly got addicted to it. the downside to paying for stuff in the game is that you can get attacked and farmed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ok first off, i doubt you can play evony in china, their retarded communist leaders have a fire wall on their internet. plus in the game RuneScape, most gold farming has been put down as it is illegal in that game. and you cant farm in Club Penguin. as for Evony, thats just the type of game it is. i dont think they coppied any other games eather. i was slightly dissapointed that the chicks in the adverts wernt in game. but i was looking for a free game to play and i quickly got addicted to it. the downside to paying for stuff in the game is that you can get attacked and farmed.</p>
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		<title>By: Charley Scene</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charley Scene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 May 2010 13:53:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LMAO you spelled &quot;Club Penguin&quot; wrong!!!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LMAO you spelled &#8220;Club Penguin&#8221; wrong!!!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Kroltan</title>
		<link>http://www.bruceongames.com/2009/07/15/more-about-evony/comment-page-2/#comment-9093</link>
		<dc:creator>Kroltan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 May 2010 16:36:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>man hat is 200% accurate! my site sometimes get some ad-comments (even with no-one viewing it) and i need to delete them...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>man hat is 200% accurate! my site sometimes get some ad-comments (even with no-one viewing it) and i need to delete them&#8230;</p>
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