Comments on: Keith Vaz http://www.bruceongames.com/2009/05/22/keith-vaz/ A veteran's view on marketing games Sat, 20 Mar 2010 21:49:41 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Ian Osborne http://www.bruceongames.com/2009/05/22/keith-vaz/comment-page-1/#comment-4616 Ian Osborne Fri, 05 Jun 2009 11:46:22 +0000 http://www.bruceongames.com/?p=1781#comment-4616 Interesting article on The Register, suggests Japan too is turning its back on this type of game: http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/06/05/japan_rapelay_ban/ Interesting article on The Register, suggests Japan too is turning its back on this type of game: http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/06/05/japan_rapelay_ban/

]]> By: Peter St. John http://www.bruceongames.com/2009/05/22/keith-vaz/comment-page-1/#comment-4567 Peter St. John Sat, 30 May 2009 20:25:06 +0000 http://www.bruceongames.com/?p=1781#comment-4567 And Vaz would counter, rather correctly, I think, that a child/teenager typing ' flash rape game' into Google would give him access to rather distasteful games - yes you don't go out and buy them, but they're right there if you have an idle look. Rather than quibbling whether such games exist, the correct response is Bruce's more typical 'so what?' approach - if such acts are depicted in other media without censorship, then they're equally valid (and legal) in computer games. And Vaz would counter, rather correctly, I think, that a child/teenager typing ‘ flash rape game’ into Google would give him access to rather distasteful games – yes you don’t go out and buy them, but they’re right there if you have an idle look. Rather than quibbling whether such games exist, the correct response is Bruce’s more typical ’so what?’ approach – if such acts are depicted in other media without censorship, then they’re equally valid (and legal) in computer games.

]]> By: Ian Osborne http://www.bruceongames.com/2009/05/22/keith-vaz/comment-page-1/#comment-4549 Ian Osborne Thu, 28 May 2009 21:11:21 +0000 http://www.bruceongames.com/?p=1781#comment-4549 I agree that a 1982 text adventure doesn't get Vaz off the hook. For his comments to hold water, you'd need at least one successful release or a significant handful of more obscure titles, no more than five or so years old. But for the record, Ship of Doom was a commercial release, not a GAC or PAW home brew game. IIRC, it was removed from the shelves in WH Smiths when they found out about the infamous 'rape android' command. I agree that a 1982 text adventure doesn’t get Vaz off the hook. For his comments to hold water, you’d need at least one successful release or a significant handful of more obscure titles, no more than five or so years old. But for the record, Ship of Doom was a commercial release, not a GAC or PAW home brew game. IIRC, it was removed from the shelves in WH Smiths when they found out about the infamous ‘rape android’ command.

]]> By: Bruce http://www.bruceongames.com/2009/05/22/keith-vaz/comment-page-1/#comment-4541 Bruce Wed, 27 May 2009 14:53:55 +0000 http://www.bruceongames.com/?p=1781#comment-4541 If you are going for that loose a definition then games can and do contain anything. GAC and PAW were available 20 years ago which enabled anyone to create games with any content they want. But you can't buy such games in the shops. If you are going for that loose a definition then games can and do contain anything.
GAC and PAW were available 20 years ago which enabled anyone to create games with any content they want.
But you can’t buy such games in the shops.

]]> By: Peter St. John http://www.bruceongames.com/2009/05/22/keith-vaz/comment-page-1/#comment-4537 Peter St. John Tue, 26 May 2009 21:15:15 +0000 http://www.bruceongames.com/?p=1781#comment-4537 Vaz is only claiming to the existence of such games in that article, so he's right (despite being wrong in the broader call for censorship). It's not 'patently absurd' to suggest that there are and can be games that allow you to commit rape - but that doesn't mean we should subject them to tighter controls than film... Vaz is only claiming to the existence of such games in that article, so he’s right (despite being wrong in the broader call for censorship). It’s not ‘patently absurd’ to suggest that there are and can be games that allow you to commit rape – but that doesn’t mean we should subject them to tighter controls than film…

]]> By: Ian Osborne http://www.bruceongames.com/2009/05/22/keith-vaz/comment-page-1/#comment-4533 Ian Osborne Tue, 26 May 2009 13:00:16 +0000 http://www.bruceongames.com/?p=1781#comment-4533 The only 'commercial retail game in the UK' that I know of where the player can commit rape is 'Ship of Doom', a text adventure from 1982. Japan-only titles won't get Keith Vaz off the hook, and according to Bruce's link, the BBFC is unaware of such a game. So with the exception of one, trivial and ancient game, Bruce is right - ' no commercial retail game in the UK featured rape when Vaz said this'. Unless anyone can identify another? The only ‘commercial retail game in the UK’ that I know of where the player can commit rape is ‘Ship of Doom’, a text adventure from 1982. Japan-only titles won’t get Keith Vaz off the hook, and according to Bruce’s link, the BBFC is unaware of such a game.

So with the exception of one, trivial and ancient game, Bruce is right – ‘ no commercial retail game in the UK featured rape when Vaz said this’. Unless anyone can identify another?

]]> By: Bruce http://www.bruceongames.com/2009/05/22/keith-vaz/comment-page-1/#comment-4531 Bruce Tue, 26 May 2009 08:58:28 +0000 http://www.bruceongames.com/?p=1781#comment-4531 I am sorry if I got this wrong but I thought that no commercial retail game in the UK featured rape when Vaz said this. I am sorry if I got this wrong but I thought that no commercial retail game in the UK featured rape when Vaz said this.

]]> By: Hugo http://www.bruceongames.com/2009/05/22/keith-vaz/comment-page-1/#comment-4522 Hugo Sat, 23 May 2009 14:04:05 +0000 http://www.bruceongames.com/?p=1781#comment-4522 I agree on the sentiments towards Keith Vaz, he's a failure as far as MP's go and jumps onto any topic that gets him in the media. That said this is another poorly researched article by you Bruce as Peter quite rightly points out there are games that do allow rape fantasies but then you also promote rFactor as the perfect racing game yet its lack of any mechanism to stop the content being stolen from other racing games directly opposes your strong (and rightful) stand against piracy. As someone who promotes himself as an industry veteran your views on the industry including your long and rather spiteful views on Sony make you look rather ill informed. I agree on the sentiments towards Keith Vaz, he’s a failure as far as MP’s go and jumps onto any topic that gets him in the media. That said this is another poorly researched article by you Bruce as Peter quite rightly points out there are games that do allow rape fantasies but then you also promote rFactor as the perfect racing game yet its lack of any mechanism to stop the content being stolen from other racing games directly opposes your strong (and rightful) stand against piracy. As someone who promotes himself as an industry veteran your views on the industry including your long and rather spiteful views on Sony make you look rather ill informed.

]]> By: Peter St. John http://www.bruceongames.com/2009/05/22/keith-vaz/comment-page-1/#comment-4520 Peter St. John Fri, 22 May 2009 13:49:27 +0000 http://www.bruceongames.com/?p=1781#comment-4520 He may be an idiot, granted, but there are plenty of games (especially in Japan) that let you simulate rape. Just because the BBFC and Ed Vaizey haven't heard of them doesn't mean that they don't exist. (google 'rapelay' if you have a strong stomach) He may be an idiot, granted, but there are plenty of games (especially in Japan) that let you simulate rape. Just because the BBFC and Ed Vaizey haven’t heard of them doesn’t mean that they don’t exist. (google ‘rapelay’ if you have a strong stomach)

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