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		<title>By: Rich</title>
		<link>http://www.bruceongames.com/2008/12/15/will-the-wii-bubble-now-finally-burst/comment-page-1/#comment-3984</link>
		<dc:creator>Rich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 01:33:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>* Any bubble bursts just as it reaches its biggest size. And the Wii is now selling in massively unsustainable numbers. It just cannot go on.

The Nintendo DS just proved that sales can continue above record numbers. There&#039;s an entirely new market out there. Nintendo brought out a whole new ballgame to a vast market the PS2 already put out.

    * The penetration of HDTVs has increased massively over the last two years. Thus cruelly exposing the Wii’s last generation graphics to far more people.

HDTV sales have slowed down this holiday season.

    * The Xbox 360 is cheaper.

Only for the XBox Arcade. You need to spend $300 to fully enjoy an XBox 360. And how long has that been out? And how long has the Wii been spreading the sales gap of the two?

    * The Xbox 360 is a huge amount better than the Wii. It has far more games and vastly more good games. And it has Live, by far the best online gaming portal. Gradually the public will come round to understanding these realities.

Not everyone likes FPSs or RPGs. Not to mention the amount of money a year to play online. 

    * The Wii has a very weak game library. The first party games, a few good third party games. Then lots of dross shovelware. And game consoles are for playing games.

Actually, the variety of games and the rate their sold is a solid sign of being the leader this generation. The Wii&#039;s also got a solid 09 lineup to satisfy all types of gamers.

    * Nintendo have now rolled out all their great and famous properties on the Wii. So they have very few places left to go for the stream of AAA titles needed to sustain a platform.

StarFox, Donkey Kong, F-Zero, Pikmin, Kid Icarus, Kirby...none of those first party titles have had a Wii platformer just yet. Zelda will soon be getting its first Wii-engine built title and then another Mario. If anything, Sony and Microsoft have laid out all of their iconic titles outside Resident Evil and Final Fantasy.

    * The Wii is not making much money for many publishers so they are voting with their feet and allocating their resources to platforms that will make them money.

Who&#039;s backed out? There are guys that never supported the Wii, but there&#039;s never been anyone&#039;s who backed off Wii publishing.

    * Most of the Wii customer base is the very casual “toy” market. They will be very fickle as they move onto the next “must have” trend. The Wii will become tired.

Demand for the Wii is skyrocketing so much that supply is constrained, keeping the Wii a &quot;must have&quot; as it breezes by &quot;fad&quot; status.

    * Money is getting a lot tighter as the world tips into recession. Casual frippery, like most Wii purchases, will be an early casualty.

If anything&#039;s been learned this holiday season, it&#039;s that the videogame industry is largely untouched by the recession. The Wii just had a record season and it&#039;s still the cheapest (let&#039;s face it, the Arcade isn&#039;t a console) of the three major home consoles this generation.

    * Most people likely to buy a Wii already have. In terms of market penetration Nintendo are now going to suffer from the law of diminishing returns.

Actually, it is still roughly 80M behind the PS2 -- which had many casual users. And there are new markets such as China and India in which to sell consoles.

- Courtesy of VGChartz</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>* Any bubble bursts just as it reaches its biggest size. And the Wii is now selling in massively unsustainable numbers. It just cannot go on.</p>
<p>The Nintendo DS just proved that sales can continue above record numbers. There&#8217;s an entirely new market out there. Nintendo brought out a whole new ballgame to a vast market the PS2 already put out.</p>
<p>    * The penetration of HDTVs has increased massively over the last two years. Thus cruelly exposing the Wii’s last generation graphics to far more people.</p>
<p>HDTV sales have slowed down this holiday season.</p>
<p>    * The Xbox 360 is cheaper.</p>
<p>Only for the XBox Arcade. You need to spend $300 to fully enjoy an XBox 360. And how long has that been out? And how long has the Wii been spreading the sales gap of the two?</p>
<p>    * The Xbox 360 is a huge amount better than the Wii. It has far more games and vastly more good games. And it has Live, by far the best online gaming portal. Gradually the public will come round to understanding these realities.</p>
<p>Not everyone likes FPSs or RPGs. Not to mention the amount of money a year to play online. </p>
<p>    * The Wii has a very weak game library. The first party games, a few good third party games. Then lots of dross shovelware. And game consoles are for playing games.</p>
<p>Actually, the variety of games and the rate their sold is a solid sign of being the leader this generation. The Wii&#8217;s also got a solid 09 lineup to satisfy all types of gamers.</p>
<p>    * Nintendo have now rolled out all their great and famous properties on the Wii. So they have very few places left to go for the stream of AAA titles needed to sustain a platform.</p>
<p>StarFox, Donkey Kong, F-Zero, Pikmin, Kid Icarus, Kirby&#8230;none of those first party titles have had a Wii platformer just yet. Zelda will soon be getting its first Wii-engine built title and then another Mario. If anything, Sony and Microsoft have laid out all of their iconic titles outside Resident Evil and Final Fantasy.</p>
<p>    * The Wii is not making much money for many publishers so they are voting with their feet and allocating their resources to platforms that will make them money.</p>
<p>Who&#8217;s backed out? There are guys that never supported the Wii, but there&#8217;s never been anyone&#8217;s who backed off Wii publishing.</p>
<p>    * Most of the Wii customer base is the very casual “toy” market. They will be very fickle as they move onto the next “must have” trend. The Wii will become tired.</p>
<p>Demand for the Wii is skyrocketing so much that supply is constrained, keeping the Wii a &#8220;must have&#8221; as it breezes by &#8220;fad&#8221; status.</p>
<p>    * Money is getting a lot tighter as the world tips into recession. Casual frippery, like most Wii purchases, will be an early casualty.</p>
<p>If anything&#8217;s been learned this holiday season, it&#8217;s that the videogame industry is largely untouched by the recession. The Wii just had a record season and it&#8217;s still the cheapest (let&#8217;s face it, the Arcade isn&#8217;t a console) of the three major home consoles this generation.</p>
<p>    * Most people likely to buy a Wii already have. In terms of market penetration Nintendo are now going to suffer from the law of diminishing returns.</p>
<p>Actually, it is still roughly 80M behind the PS2 &#8212; which had many casual users. And there are new markets such as China and India in which to sell consoles.</p>
<p>- Courtesy of VGChartz</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
		<link>http://www.bruceongames.com/2008/12/15/will-the-wii-bubble-now-finally-burst/comment-page-1/#comment-3978</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Dec 2008 19:50:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the magic of the WII can not be seen by an experienced gamer or gaming insider. For the unexperience gamer the Wii is magic. So what? Because it will bring in an entirely new demographic that has so far been untapped -- women, younger children, 40-somethings who didn&#039;t grow up on video games. Even my 90 year old grandmother plays it in the nursing home for exercise. I would never before have considered buying a video game -- now I would do it for my physical health.  If anything, Wii is the gateway drug for those of us who didn&#039;t get hooked on gaming as kids.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the magic of the WII can not be seen by an experienced gamer or gaming insider. For the unexperience gamer the Wii is magic. So what? Because it will bring in an entirely new demographic that has so far been untapped &#8212; women, younger children, 40-somethings who didn&#8217;t grow up on video games. Even my 90 year old grandmother plays it in the nursing home for exercise. I would never before have considered buying a video game &#8212; now I would do it for my physical health.  If anything, Wii is the gateway drug for those of us who didn&#8217;t get hooked on gaming as kids.</p>
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		<title>By: Fred</title>
		<link>http://www.bruceongames.com/2008/12/15/will-the-wii-bubble-now-finally-burst/comment-page-1/#comment-3967</link>
		<dc:creator>Fred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2008 14:55:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Dross&quot; is a noun, not an adjective.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Dross&#8221; is a noun, not an adjective.</p>
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		<title>By: Groove Vandal</title>
		<link>http://www.bruceongames.com/2008/12/15/will-the-wii-bubble-now-finally-burst/comment-page-1/#comment-3927</link>
		<dc:creator>Groove Vandal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 07:48:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t help being reminded of the guy in my local high street with the placard saying the end of the world is nigh.

He has been there for 20 years and has little chance of ever being right but he still gets up every day and ventures out for another try.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t help being reminded of the guy in my local high street with the placard saying the end of the world is nigh.</p>
<p>He has been there for 20 years and has little chance of ever being right but he still gets up every day and ventures out for another try.</p>
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		<title>By: Jurrie Hobers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jurrie Hobers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 19:34:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The wii is here to stay for two main reasons:

1. People who are not into consoles go out and buy a Wii (mainly because of the friendly entrance to gaming due to the controller that looks more like a remote control than a controller which is holding off many people)

2. Because the &#039;gamers&#039; who go out for  a next gen console, ending up making their choice between a ps3 or 360 are buying a Wii as a great family/multiplayer console to accompany their &#039;first&#039; choice.

So they win in both camps, which the other &#039;next gen&#039; consoles are not having (despite the huge success of Sony in the ps2 camp)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The wii is here to stay for two main reasons:</p>
<p>1. People who are not into consoles go out and buy a Wii (mainly because of the friendly entrance to gaming due to the controller that looks more like a remote control than a controller which is holding off many people)</p>
<p>2. Because the &#8216;gamers&#8217; who go out for  a next gen console, ending up making their choice between a ps3 or 360 are buying a Wii as a great family/multiplayer console to accompany their &#8216;first&#8217; choice.</p>
<p>So they win in both camps, which the other &#8216;next gen&#8217; consoles are not having (despite the huge success of Sony in the ps2 camp)</p>
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		<title>By: Roberto</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roberto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 10:00:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@David MacPhail:

the only thing that will &quot;Phail&quot; this generation is indeed Sony and the PS3... so stop being even more fanboyish than Bruce himself!

Sorry buddy but PS3 is on a bad negative trend these days and right now I can&#039;t see the light out of that tunnel it&#039;s in!
Yes, there are lots of great games coming out next year, but the question is: will they be enough to help PS3 to come out from the sandtrap it&#039;s in?
Also, Sony made the same mistake MS did last gen with hardware manufacture: outsourcing it to many different manufacturers that are the one that makes the prices in most components, thus forcing Sony to keep price high to avoid losing (too much) money.
nVidia in this case is a f***ing b1tch! Don&#039;t believe me? Go ask MS!!! 
No wonder this time MS went with ATI&#039;s custom chips!
Nintendo never made that mistake and they will be able to lower the price whenever they want, right now they don&#039;t need that tough as demand is more than high!

So even if PS3 will eventually drop the price I don&#039;t think they will be able to match MS price, which console is set for another redesign of the hardware which will cost even less (I&#039;m talking about the one that brings GPU+CPU together) and may even lead to a 360 Slim!
Heck, I don&#039;t even think that Sony will ever meet the 199$ &quot;sweet spot&quot;, or at least not in the next 2-3 years, and that will hurt PS3 sales for the rest of the generation!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@David MacPhail:</p>
<p>the only thing that will &#8220;Phail&#8221; this generation is indeed Sony and the PS3&#8230; so stop being even more fanboyish than Bruce himself!</p>
<p>Sorry buddy but PS3 is on a bad negative trend these days and right now I can&#8217;t see the light out of that tunnel it&#8217;s in!<br />
Yes, there are lots of great games coming out next year, but the question is: will they be enough to help PS3 to come out from the sandtrap it&#8217;s in?<br />
Also, Sony made the same mistake MS did last gen with hardware manufacture: outsourcing it to many different manufacturers that are the one that makes the prices in most components, thus forcing Sony to keep price high to avoid losing (too much) money.<br />
nVidia in this case is a f***ing b1tch! Don&#8217;t believe me? Go ask MS!!!<br />
No wonder this time MS went with ATI&#8217;s custom chips!<br />
Nintendo never made that mistake and they will be able to lower the price whenever they want, right now they don&#8217;t need that tough as demand is more than high!</p>
<p>So even if PS3 will eventually drop the price I don&#8217;t think they will be able to match MS price, which console is set for another redesign of the hardware which will cost even less (I&#8217;m talking about the one that brings GPU+CPU together) and may even lead to a 360 Slim!<br />
Heck, I don&#8217;t even think that Sony will ever meet the 199$ &#8220;sweet spot&#8221;, or at least not in the next 2-3 years, and that will hurt PS3 sales for the rest of the generation!!!</p>
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		<title>By: BC</title>
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		<dc:creator>BC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 09:32:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can fan-boys please stop posting? You&#039;re ruining it for the rest of us with our well thought out posts opposing Bruce&#039;s stance on the Wii.

I too have a Wii that is underused and spend more time on my 360 or PC. That&#039;s because I like the games on it. But my family, girlfriend, non-gaming friends all prefer the Wii.

There is no comparison between the 360/PS3 to the Wii. They aren&#039;t competing. They aren&#039;t just in completely different leagues...their completely different sports.

While the 360 does very well catering to traditional gamers, and lets not forget that there is plenty of money to be had there too, the Wii deals with everyone else.  

Since it&#039;s in a different league, no one can judge how it can do because there has been nothing like it before. 

I&#039;ll see you all next xmas to discuss the Wii bubble to burst in 2009 and how the PS3 is going to turn the tables next year ...or the year after ...or the year after that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can fan-boys please stop posting? You&#8217;re ruining it for the rest of us with our well thought out posts opposing Bruce&#8217;s stance on the Wii.</p>
<p>I too have a Wii that is underused and spend more time on my 360 or PC. That&#8217;s because I like the games on it. But my family, girlfriend, non-gaming friends all prefer the Wii.</p>
<p>There is no comparison between the 360/PS3 to the Wii. They aren&#8217;t competing. They aren&#8217;t just in completely different leagues&#8230;their completely different sports.</p>
<p>While the 360 does very well catering to traditional gamers, and lets not forget that there is plenty of money to be had there too, the Wii deals with everyone else.  </p>
<p>Since it&#8217;s in a different league, no one can judge how it can do because there has been nothing like it before. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ll see you all next xmas to discuss the Wii bubble to burst in 2009 and how the PS3 is going to turn the tables next year &#8230;or the year after &#8230;or the year after that.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven</title>
		<link>http://www.bruceongames.com/2008/12/15/will-the-wii-bubble-now-finally-burst/comment-page-1/#comment-3915</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 00:19:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am also sick of PS3 zealots stating &#039;look what&#039;s coming next year&#039;.  I seem to remember the same thing in late 2007 when you all stated 2008 was the year of the PS3.  

LBP didn&#039;t save the PS3, neither did MGS4 or Home.  What&#039;s to say the list of games David has provided up there are going to be hits?

I own all 3 consoles, and my Wii gathers dust unless very young relatives visit, my PS3 is mainly used as a Blu-Ray player and my Elite gets most use by a mile.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am also sick of PS3 zealots stating &#8216;look what&#8217;s coming next year&#8217;.  I seem to remember the same thing in late 2007 when you all stated 2008 was the year of the PS3.  </p>
<p>LBP didn&#8217;t save the PS3, neither did MGS4 or Home.  What&#8217;s to say the list of games David has provided up there are going to be hits?</p>
<p>I own all 3 consoles, and my Wii gathers dust unless very young relatives visit, my PS3 is mainly used as a Blu-Ray player and my Elite gets most use by a mile.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 00:12:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ David McFail

Can you possibly be any less of a fanboy?


Your arguments lost all credibility when you state the 360 has the worst online service and no good exclusive games (ever heard of Halo and Gears of War franchises?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ David McFail</p>
<p>Can you possibly be any less of a fanboy?</p>
<p>Your arguments lost all credibility when you state the 360 has the worst online service and no good exclusive games (ever heard of Halo and Gears of War franchises?)</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce</title>
		<link>http://www.bruceongames.com/2008/12/15/will-the-wii-bubble-now-finally-burst/comment-page-1/#comment-3913</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 00:10:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David Macphail I suggest you read this http://www.bruceongames.com/2008/12/09/some-metacritic-analysis-1/ which shows that the real world facts differ somewhat from your obviously biased views.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David Macphail I suggest you read this <a href="http://www.bruceongames.com/2008/12/09/some-metacritic-analysis-1/" rel="nofollow">http://www.bruceongames.com/2008/12/09/some-metacritic-analysis-1/</a> which shows that the real world facts differ somewhat from your obviously biased views.</p>
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