Comments on: The next console generation #1 Home consoles http://www.bruceongames.com/2008/02/22/the-next-console-generation/ A veteran's view on marketing games Fri, 20 Nov 2009 21:07:25 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: srgtserious http://www.bruceongames.com/2008/02/22/the-next-console-generation/comment-page-1/#comment-4693 srgtserious Mon, 22 Jun 2009 02:57:59 +0000 http://www.bruceongames.com/2008/02/22/the-next-console-generation/#comment-4693 I know Im a year late to the party, but its interesting to see how the manufacturers are discussing much longer lifespans than earlier predicted. Also Baney, you're an idiot. Bruce wrote the article, of course he read it. On top of that, no you cannot increase ps3 memory. You can increase its hard drive size, but no more Ram can be added to the system. Now Mr. Very Important (fanboy) can you cite where you found the 40% decrease in graphical capabilities? I sure cant. So dont pull figures out of your ass! Just because you can have many more textures on the disc does not mean a graphical improvement. The limiting factor is the processor and ram, and the processor definitely cannot handle much more than they are already doing. That extra space on the bluray can definitely be used for more levels, characters, content in general, but I dont think a 40 gig game would look better than a 10 gig game. On top of that, a 40 gig game? Can you imagine the amount of coding needed to fill a bluray disc? I doubt games in this generation will be able to fill that much, it would simply take too long and it would be so much more expensive to produce. I know Im a year late to the party, but its interesting to see how the manufacturers are discussing much longer lifespans than earlier predicted. Also Baney, you’re an idiot. Bruce wrote the article, of course he read it. On top of that, no you cannot increase ps3 memory. You can increase its hard drive size, but no more Ram can be added to the system. Now Mr. Very Important (fanboy) can you cite where you found the 40% decrease in graphical capabilities? I sure cant. So dont pull figures out of your ass! Just because you can have many more textures on the disc does not mean a graphical improvement. The limiting factor is the processor and ram, and the processor definitely cannot handle much more than they are already doing. That extra space on the bluray can definitely be used for more levels, characters, content in general, but I dont think a 40 gig game would look better than a 10 gig game. On top of that, a 40 gig game? Can you imagine the amount of coding needed to fill a bluray disc? I doubt games in this generation will be able to fill that much, it would simply take too long and it would be so much more expensive to produce.

]]> By: VERY IMPORTANT http://www.bruceongames.com/2008/02/22/the-next-console-generation/comment-page-1/#comment-4338 VERY IMPORTANT Thu, 09 Apr 2009 06:13:03 +0000 http://www.bruceongames.com/2008/02/22/the-next-console-generation/#comment-4338 READ FIRST READ FIRST READ FIRST IMPORTANT TO KNOW the size of the blu-ray goes up to 50GB(dual layer) so the more space the BR has, the more better the game is because of increased features, 15% graphics improved in game. when ps2 was released most games size were 1GB(hotwheels world race for example) and then now 2009 some are between 4GB and 5GB. so ps3 will probably go up to 40GB and 50GB...or if new blu-ray go higher. FACT-killzone 2 graphics only possible on ps3 my opinion is that it killzone 2 can be on xbx360 but graphics will be decreased by 40%(that is alot). this is why ps3 blu-ray can hold heaps of data/features and graphics. and can last very long untill ps4. http://www.gamedaily.com/articles/news/killzone-2-graphics-only-possible-on-ps3-says-steinburg/?biz=1 i would write more but i have too much to say and i already know ps3 will be a great quality console. READ FIRST READ FIRST READ FIRST IMPORTANT TO KNOW

the size of the blu-ray goes up to 50GB(dual layer) so the more space the BR has, the more better the game is because of increased features, 15% graphics improved in game. when ps2 was released most games size were 1GB(hotwheels world race for example) and then now 2009 some are between 4GB and 5GB. so ps3 will probably go up to 40GB and 50GB…or if new blu-ray go higher.

FACT-killzone 2 graphics only possible on ps3
my opinion is that it killzone 2 can be on xbx360 but graphics will be decreased by 40%(that is alot). this is why ps3 blu-ray can hold heaps of data/features and graphics. and can last very long untill ps4.

http://www.gamedaily.com/articles/news/killzone-2-graphics-only-possible-on-ps3-says-steinburg/?biz=1

i would write more but i have too much to say and i already know ps3 will be a great quality console.

]]> By: indysurfn http://www.bruceongames.com/2008/02/22/the-next-console-generation/comment-page-1/#comment-1176 indysurfn Sun, 02 Mar 2008 15:05:16 +0000 http://www.bruceongames.com/2008/02/22/the-next-console-generation/#comment-1176 Each and every manufacturer has said that graphics has diminishing returns. Meaning that people will not see as big a difference in graphics the more we advance. Example, say I have a 2 million polygon machine and I’m comparing it to a 1 million polygon machine(all other things being equal). The difference will be significant, but comparing a 2 billion polygon machine to a 1 billion polygon machine will not be anywhere as big a difference. With this in mind all three consoles are likely to launch at the same time. Because Sony knows that waiting And then not looking better (once again) is not the way to go. The same holds true with Microsoft. Funny thing is Nintendo knows this! They may use that as a reason to once again not put the latest in the machine and launch at the same time, this time incorporating a controller that has a small touch screen on the regular controller. Yes I see them keeping the motion controller, and adding a screen to their regular controller. Thus making it fun to those that are casual that don’t like swinging their arms. Things are looking bright! Also I see Microsoft and Sony relearning the lesson that they should have already known from 3DO, and Saturn. Price matters….A LOT! Each and every manufacturer has said that graphics has diminishing returns. Meaning that people will not see as big a difference in graphics the more we advance. Example, say I have a 2 million polygon machine and I’m comparing it to a 1 million polygon machine(all other things being equal). The difference will be significant, but comparing a 2 billion polygon machine to a 1 billion polygon machine will not be anywhere as big a difference. With this in mind all three consoles are likely to launch at the same time. Because Sony knows that waiting
And then not looking better (once again) is not the way to go. The same holds true with Microsoft.
Funny thing is Nintendo knows this! They may use that as a reason to once again not put the latest in the machine and launch at the same time, this time incorporating a controller that has a small touch screen on the regular controller. Yes I see them keeping the motion controller, and adding a screen to their regular controller. Thus making it fun to those that are casual that don’t like swinging their arms.
Things are looking bright! Also I see Microsoft and Sony relearning the lesson that they should have already known from 3DO, and Saturn. Price matters….A LOT!

]]> By: noneofyourbusiness http://www.bruceongames.com/2008/02/22/the-next-console-generation/comment-page-1/#comment-1134 noneofyourbusiness Sat, 23 Feb 2008 20:32:54 +0000 http://www.bruceongames.com/2008/02/22/the-next-console-generation/#comment-1134 Why do you say that the format war is fought? I'm still using DVD's... Why do you say that the format war is fought? I’m still using DVD’s…

]]> By: derseb http://www.bruceongames.com/2008/02/22/the-next-console-generation/comment-page-1/#comment-1130 derseb Sat, 23 Feb 2008 15:23:14 +0000 http://www.bruceongames.com/2008/02/22/the-next-console-generation/#comment-1130 just because you can update your PC with a Graphic Card that costs as much as an entire console in order to play recent games, doesnt make that platform future proof. in fact i feel consoles are more future proof than PCs, because development is more on the software side! just because you can update your PC with a Graphic Card that costs as much as an entire console in order to play recent games, doesnt make that platform future proof.

in fact i feel consoles are more future proof than PCs, because development is more on the software side!

]]> By: Mac http://www.bruceongames.com/2008/02/22/the-next-console-generation/comment-page-1/#comment-1128 Mac Sat, 23 Feb 2008 13:55:26 +0000 http://www.bruceongames.com/2008/02/22/the-next-console-generation/#comment-1128 Come on Bruce, do you really think thats what they mean by future proof? Just because i can update most of those things in my computer doesn't mean that it's future proof. I think Sony is saying that since every PS3 comes with HDD, WiFi, can output 1080p, has Bluray and can be updated it can last 10 years as a game/movie player. Come on Bruce, do you really think thats what they mean by future proof? Just because i can update most of those things in my computer doesn’t mean that it’s future proof. I think Sony is saying that since every PS3 comes with HDD, WiFi, can output 1080p, has Bluray and can be updated it can last 10 years as a game/movie player.

]]> By: Baney http://www.bruceongames.com/2008/02/22/the-next-console-generation/comment-page-1/#comment-1126 Baney Sat, 23 Feb 2008 11:55:53 +0000 http://www.bruceongames.com/2008/02/22/the-next-console-generation/#comment-1126 Bruce you can change the memory on ps3 and if you read the article you would have heard his speculation of using memory based through the internet, which PS3 is defeniately able to do. Bruce you can change the memory on ps3 and if you read the article you would have heard his speculation of using memory based through the internet, which PS3 is defeniately able to do.

]]> By: Bruce http://www.bruceongames.com/2008/02/22/the-next-console-generation/comment-page-1/#comment-1123 Bruce Sat, 23 Feb 2008 07:41:02 +0000 http://www.bruceongames.com/2008/02/22/the-next-console-generation/#comment-1123 I keep hearing people say that the PS3 is future proof. It is no more future proof than the 360. You cannot change the CPU, GPU or increase the memory on either of them, they are very un future proof. If anything the 360 is slightly more future proof because you may be able to change the HD DVD drive for a Blu-ray one. I keep hearing people say that the PS3 is future proof. It is no more future proof than the 360. You cannot change the CPU, GPU or increase the memory on either of them, they are very un future proof.
If anything the 360 is slightly more future proof because you may be able to change the HD DVD drive for a Blu-ray one.

]]> By: Harmonic http://www.bruceongames.com/2008/02/22/the-next-console-generation/comment-page-1/#comment-1121 Harmonic Sat, 23 Feb 2008 02:49:17 +0000 http://www.bruceongames.com/2008/02/22/the-next-console-generation/#comment-1121 I still think the quality and design of the games is the most important thing. I'm a very visual person and enjoy beautiful graphics, but my all-time favortie games are still Super NES games. I don't care if a new console has graphics that look better than big-budget movie FX, if there's nothing in the gameplay/story/characters that interests me, I'll stick with what I have from the 90s. That said, I do like where some game designers are headed, and I think all three current consoles have a ways to go yet before they're "last gen." I still think the quality and design of the games is the most important thing. I’m a very visual person and enjoy beautiful graphics, but my all-time favortie games are still Super NES games. I don’t care if a new console has graphics that look better than big-budget movie FX, if there’s nothing in the gameplay/story/characters that interests me, I’ll stick with what I have from the 90s. That said, I do like where some game designers are headed, and I think all three current consoles have a ways to go yet before they’re “last gen.”

]]> By: Bryan Barletta http://www.bruceongames.com/2008/02/22/the-next-console-generation/comment-page-1/#comment-1120 Bryan Barletta Sat, 23 Feb 2008 02:37:44 +0000 http://www.bruceongames.com/2008/02/22/the-next-console-generation/#comment-1120 Bruce, You mention that all three of these hypothetical new systems "will be backwards compatible (maybe going back more than one generation)" but I'm confused why you would make that assumption. PS3 has essentially called it quits on all their systems besides the 40GB which doesn't have the Graphics Synthesizer GPU to handle PS2 games. Sony has made it clear recently that you can purchase a 40GB PS3 and a PS2 for cheaper then the soon to be disappearing completely 80GB PS3. What would inspire them to go back two generations on their next system, when their current system can't handle one? Xbox 360 still can't play every Xbox title correctly. They've also made several Xbox titles available for purchase through Xbox Live. Nintendo Wii can play Gamecube games, but it makes a profit off of their previous systems through Nintendo's virtual arcade. Besides, as you stated, it's just Gamecube 1.5. With the reduction in price of SSD and services like Steam becoming more popular; it would be more realistic to see the last gen and even current gen systems games available for digital distribution through the next wave of consoles. Besides that, good point :-p. In response to Boot's comment: *Nintendo Wii - It has built in storage and a SD expansion slot. - It's weird that it doesn't have online gameplay. I should tell my buddy in Japan who just kicked my butt in brawl that it wasn't real :-p. *Xbox 360 - Microsoft offers a warranty. - I've only had XBL issues this past December/January, which they addressed. *Playstation 3 - It may last 10 years.....as a first gen Blu-ray player. If you want to avoid fanboy status, you may want to discuss the system you supports weaknesses. It'll make it less obvious. Bruce,
You mention that all three of these hypothetical new systems “will be backwards compatible (maybe going back more than one generation)” but I’m confused why you would make that assumption.

PS3 has essentially called it quits on all their systems besides the 40GB which doesn’t have the Graphics Synthesizer GPU to handle PS2 games. Sony has made it clear recently that you can purchase a 40GB PS3 and a PS2 for cheaper then the soon to be disappearing completely 80GB PS3. What would inspire them to go back two generations on their next system, when their current system can’t handle one?

Xbox 360 still can’t play every Xbox title correctly. They’ve also made several Xbox titles available for purchase through Xbox Live.

Nintendo Wii can play Gamecube games, but it makes a profit off of their previous systems through Nintendo’s virtual arcade. Besides, as you stated, it’s just Gamecube 1.5.

With the reduction in price of SSD and services like Steam becoming more popular; it would be more realistic to see the last gen and even current gen systems games available for digital distribution through the next wave of consoles.

Besides that, good point :-p.

In response to Boot’s comment:
*Nintendo Wii
- It has built in storage and a SD expansion slot.
- It’s weird that it doesn’t have online gameplay. I should tell my buddy in Japan who just kicked my butt in brawl that it wasn’t real :-p.
*Xbox 360
- Microsoft offers a warranty.
- I’ve only had XBL issues this past December/January, which they addressed.
*Playstation 3
- It may last 10 years…..as a first gen Blu-ray player.
If you want to avoid fanboy status, you may want to discuss the system you supports weaknesses. It’ll make it less obvious.

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