Comments on: The Bible Vs video games http://www.bruceongames.com/2008/02/08/the-bible-v-video-games/ A veteran's view on marketing games Sat, 07 Nov 2009 20:53:25 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Marlon Bolton http://www.bruceongames.com/2008/02/08/the-bible-v-video-games/comment-page-1/#comment-5929 Marlon Bolton Fri, 25 Sep 2009 01:38:21 +0000 http://www.bruceongames.com/2008/02/08/the-bible-v-video-games/#comment-5929 Ok Al if you want me tobe part of this little "Debate" you got it. Listen to what I have to say. Many people of the human race belivie that if you can't see it, smell it, hear it, or feel it, it doesn't existent . That is a dead out lie. Just because you can't see God doesn't mean he's not real. Besides, if you saw him you die in a second. Why did you think he told Moses to stand behind a rock when he walk past him where he told Moses to write the ten commandments. The israelites couldn't even handle Mose's face when he got back because God made it some stinking bright. Also videos are not bad unless they are rated M-A. But do be warned, the T rated games are a bit more tricky to tell from. If you don't now what I mean with tricky, check the bottom right of the back of the game you want to get and you see what I mean. Ok Al if you want me tobe part of this little “Debate” you got it. Listen to what I have to say. Many people of the human race belivie that if you can’t see it, smell it, hear it, or feel it, it doesn’t existent . That is a dead out lie. Just because you can’t see God doesn’t mean he’s not real. Besides, if you saw him you die in a second. Why did you think he told Moses to stand behind a rock when he walk past him where he told Moses to write the ten commandments. The israelites couldn’t even handle Mose’s face when he got back because God made it some stinking bright.
Also videos are not bad unless they are rated M-A. But do be warned, the T rated games are a bit more tricky to tell from. If you don’t now what I mean with tricky, check the bottom right of the back of the game you want to get and you see what I mean.

]]> By: Al http://www.bruceongames.com/2008/02/08/the-bible-v-video-games/comment-page-1/#comment-5586 Al Wed, 09 Sep 2009 00:14:28 +0000 http://www.bruceongames.com/2008/02/08/the-bible-v-video-games/#comment-5586 No one thinks that any video game is a real account of events but with the bible its different. I've studied the bible deeply and thought it was a bit strange that God kills countless people. (In Exodus 32 God wants to kill those people who make a golden calf, moses calms him down) the bible is a collection of archaic and symbolic stories, but people take it literally. How many people can explain why it is that the order of creation of beast and man is reversed in the first 2 chapters of Genesis? Ask anyone who believes in God where God is, they will say Everywhere. That of course implies that God is absolute, but don't realise that it's impossible for the absolute to have attributes because attributes need a point of origin to extend from, so if God gets 'angry' God ceases to be absolute and is subject to our physical laws. Video games are just a bit of fun No one thinks that any video game is a real account of events but with the bible its different. I’ve studied the bible deeply and thought it was a bit strange that God kills countless people. (In Exodus 32 God wants to kill those people who make a golden calf, moses calms him down) the bible is a collection of archaic and symbolic stories, but people take it literally. How many people can explain why it is that the order of creation of beast and man is reversed in the first 2 chapters of Genesis? Ask anyone who believes in God where God is, they will say Everywhere. That of course implies that God is absolute, but don’t realise that it’s impossible for the absolute to have attributes because attributes need a point of origin to extend from, so if God gets ‘angry’ God ceases to be absolute and is subject to our physical laws.
Video games are just a bit of fun

]]> By: Russell Coker http://www.bruceongames.com/2008/02/08/the-bible-v-video-games/comment-page-1/#comment-5572 Russell Coker Mon, 07 Sep 2009 17:56:09 +0000 http://www.bruceongames.com/2008/02/08/the-bible-v-video-games/#comment-5572 http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/ Anyone who wants to read an objective analysis of the bible should visit the above web site. In response to the claims that the bible contains nasty stuff because it's historical, you have to note that a lot of the nasty stuff was directly ordered by prophets or by God. As for the issue of whether young children read the bible. Church services are very boring and there are plenty of bibles in church. What do you expect a child to do in church apart from read the nastier sections of the Old Testament for entertainment? It's what I used to do in church when I was young. http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/gen/19.html#30 Also please note that the bible is NOT a strict account of life. It's a very biased account of one side. Even on the Internet it's rare to see a description of incest that portrays the children as attackers in the manner of the above reference. http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/

Anyone who wants to read an objective analysis of the bible should visit the above web site.

In response to the claims that the bible contains nasty stuff because it’s historical, you have to note that a lot of the nasty stuff was directly ordered by prophets or by God.

As for the issue of whether young children read the bible. Church services are very boring and there are plenty of bibles in church. What do you expect a child to do in church apart from read the nastier sections of the Old Testament for entertainment? It’s what I used to do in church when I was young.

http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/gen/19.html#30

Also please note that the bible is NOT a strict account of life. It’s a very biased account of one side. Even on the Internet it’s rare to see a description of incest that portrays the children as attackers in the manner of the above reference.

]]> By: Joseph http://www.bruceongames.com/2008/02/08/the-bible-v-video-games/comment-page-1/#comment-5189 Joseph Thu, 06 Aug 2009 23:08:39 +0000 http://www.bruceongames.com/2008/02/08/the-bible-v-video-games/#comment-5189 I am a youth director, and avid game player. I consider myself to be open minded and in the pursuit of reasonable justice. I have seen numerous "offensive" movies, games, listened to the "taboo" music, and indulged in art that was "questionable". I deal with students everyday who are directly affected by these factors and I can say without hesitation that the censorship imposed on these media outlets are far from fair, far from equal, and sadly lacking. I am an adult, and, as such, I enjoy adult oriented games (read: not referring to "adult" in the sense of "look, there's an adult video store" but as is "not made for children"). I appreciate reality. I also appreciate a certain amount of idealism. I can appreciate censorship to an extent. I believe the video game industry is unfairly heralded as the catalyst for teen violence and immorality. I will not deny a belief that all the choices we make in life directly effect our existence, including video games; however, I believe the intent of the heart will lead people to find violence when they want to or lead them away from it even when it is available. How foolish is it to blame the industry for the interests of the public? How foolish is it to hold the gaming industry to a slighted standard because we are disillusioned with the idea that it is predominantly a market to children. The youth I deal with have equal access to Grand Theft Auto and The Devil's Rejects. The difference between the two are staggering, and yet one is dealt with far more heavily handed than the other. Free will is as it sounds. Legislation will never bring about morality or eliminate violence. It is the hearts and the intents of the individual which will lead to life choices. Let's be fair. And yes, the Bible is a strict account of life. They did not have to record the details of acts such as dismemberment, masturbation, and torture in the Bible, yet they did. I hope our nation never resorts to censoring the Bible. Why should games not have an equal fighting chance? If it is not socially acceptable then the society has chosen not to accept it. If society chooses to accept it, no amount of laws will stop it (I.E. Marijuana). Thank you for an enlightening and intelligent post. I am a youth director, and avid game player. I consider myself to be open minded and in the pursuit of reasonable justice. I have seen numerous “offensive” movies, games, listened to the “taboo” music, and indulged in art that was “questionable”. I deal with students everyday who are directly affected by these factors and I can say without hesitation that the censorship imposed on these media outlets are far from fair, far from equal, and sadly lacking. I am an adult, and, as such, I enjoy adult oriented games (read: not referring to “adult” in the sense of “look, there’s an adult video store” but as is “not made for children”). I appreciate reality. I also appreciate a certain amount of idealism. I can appreciate censorship to an extent. I believe the video game industry is unfairly heralded as the catalyst for teen violence and immorality. I will not deny a belief that all the choices we make in life directly effect our existence, including video games; however, I believe the intent of the heart will lead people to find violence when they want to or lead them away from it even when it is available. How foolish is it to blame the industry for the interests of the public? How foolish is it to hold the gaming industry to a slighted standard because we are disillusioned with the idea that it is predominantly a market to children. The youth I deal with have equal access to Grand Theft Auto and The Devil’s Rejects. The difference between the two are staggering, and yet one is dealt with far more heavily handed than the other. Free will is as it sounds. Legislation will never bring about morality or eliminate violence. It is the hearts and the intents of the individual which will lead to life choices. Let’s be fair.

And yes, the Bible is a strict account of life. They did not have to record the details of acts such as dismemberment, masturbation, and torture in the Bible, yet they did. I hope our nation never resorts to censoring the Bible. Why should games not have an equal fighting chance? If it is not socially acceptable then the society has chosen not to accept it. If society chooses to accept it, no amount of laws will stop it (I.E. Marijuana).

Thank you for an enlightening and intelligent post.

]]> By: Travis http://www.bruceongames.com/2008/02/08/the-bible-v-video-games/comment-page-1/#comment-3979 Travis Fri, 26 Dec 2008 22:27:56 +0000 http://www.bruceongames.com/2008/02/08/the-bible-v-video-games/#comment-3979 I came to this page because I was looking for an answer to a question that has been bothering me for the past few days. I have read all of the posts above. Some of them helped me to solidify what I believe, and others raised good questions. I am a person who wants to follow Jesus Christ. No, I'm not preaching to anyone, just sharing my opinion on what I have read. I read the post #36. Though I believe that it is true that God does not want His Saints wasting there time on useless self indulgence, I do believe that we are FREE. All people are free to make there own choices. Whatever choice that may be, good or bad, there are always consequences to those choices that go against the will of the Almighty. It is written that "Where the Spirit of the Lord is there is Freedom." It is written that Jesus said that He came to free us from the consequences of our sin. The problem is that many "Christians" including myself have used this as an excuse to do whatever we want because after all "Jesus died for my sin, right?" Lets take violent video games, because that is what this article is talking about here. Today's society would call games entertainment, even games like Doom, Diablo, Gears of War, Condemned, and others. Look, I enjoy video games like these, but I have been wrestling with my conscience on this issue for a while now. I've been thinking about it this way. Back in the day when the Romans ruled a large portion of the world they had forms of violent "entertainment" as well. They were called gladiators. Gladiators would fight to the death, they would fight wild animals to the death. Sometimes the Romans would just simply throw a slave into the arena to watch him be devoured by wild animals. That was there entertainment. Now, any life loving person can understand that this was wrong. The crowd that watched the events in the arena did not control the violence but they also did not stop it. What is a violent video game? Watching and controlling "virtual" violence for the entertainment of it. I understand that you cannot put every person into the same category. Not everyone will take that violence as an excuse to cause someone harm in real life, but a child who has not been taught the difference between good and evil, right and wrong may not understand. It has been shown in many studies that people who were abused as children often, but not always, become abusers themselves. If parents don't teach there children the difference between good and evil and help them understand that violence can only lead to pain, then the freedom that Jesus Christ came to give us was for nothing. Post 36 says no one is truly free but the Almighty. I argue that when a man or woman is set free by Christ to serve God it is truly freedom not enslavement because that person made the choice to put himself into the servitude of the Almighty. It is written in 1 Corinthians 13 "love does not demand it's own way." I agree that when a person is born again they should no longer choose to disobey God, but out of the Love that God has shown that person they should want to do what is good and obey God. Do I believe that video games are sinful? Some. Do I believe that video games are a waste of time? If you are truly a follower of Christ, yes. Do I believe that God would ever force any person to not play video games, no. I came to this page because I was looking for an answer to a question that has been bothering me for the past few days. I have read all of the posts above. Some of them helped me to solidify what I believe, and others raised good questions. I am a person who wants to follow Jesus Christ. No, I’m not preaching to anyone, just sharing my opinion on what I have read. I read the post #36. Though I believe that it is true that God does not want His Saints wasting there time on useless self indulgence, I do believe that we are FREE. All people are free to make there own choices. Whatever choice that may be, good or bad, there are always consequences to those choices that go against the will of the Almighty. It is written that “Where the Spirit of the Lord is there is Freedom.” It is written that Jesus said that He came to free us from the consequences of our sin. The problem is that many “Christians” including myself have used this as an excuse to do whatever we want because after all “Jesus died for my sin, right?” Lets take violent video games, because that is what this article is talking about here. Today’s society would call games entertainment, even games like Doom, Diablo, Gears of War, Condemned, and others. Look, I enjoy video games like these, but I have been wrestling with my conscience on this issue for a while now. I’ve been thinking about it this way. Back in the day when the Romans ruled a large portion of the world they had forms of violent “entertainment” as well. They were called gladiators. Gladiators would fight to the death, they would fight wild animals to the death. Sometimes the Romans would just simply throw a slave into the arena to watch him be devoured by wild animals. That was there entertainment. Now, any life loving person can understand that this was wrong. The crowd that watched the events in the arena did not control the violence but they also did not stop it. What is a violent video game? Watching and controlling “virtual” violence for the entertainment of it. I understand that you cannot put every person into the same category. Not everyone will take that violence as an excuse to cause someone harm in real life, but a child who has not been taught the difference between good and evil, right and wrong may not understand. It has been shown in many studies that people who were abused as children often, but not always, become abusers themselves. If parents don’t teach there children the difference between good and evil and help them understand that violence can only lead to pain, then the freedom that Jesus Christ came to give us was for nothing. Post 36 says no one is truly free but the Almighty. I argue that when a man or woman is set free by Christ to serve God it is truly freedom not enslavement because that person made the choice to put himself into the servitude of the Almighty. It is written in 1 Corinthians 13 “love does not demand it’s own way.” I agree that when a person is born again they should no longer choose to disobey God, but out of the Love that God has shown that person they should want to do what is good and obey God. Do I believe that video games are sinful? Some. Do I believe that video games are a waste of time? If you are truly a follower of Christ, yes. Do I believe that God would ever force any person to not play video games, no.

]]> By: Bruce http://www.bruceongames.com/2008/02/08/the-bible-v-video-games/comment-page-1/#comment-3975 Bruce Wed, 24 Dec 2008 16:02:00 +0000 http://www.bruceongames.com/2008/02/08/the-bible-v-video-games/#comment-3975 Sad Sad

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.bruceongames.com/2008/02/08/the-bible-v-video-games/comment-page-1/#comment-3974 Anonymous Wed, 24 Dec 2008 00:13:33 +0000 http://www.bruceongames.com/2008/02/08/the-bible-v-video-games/#comment-3974 It's horrible that some people try to justify playing games. God doesn't want any of His saints wasting their time on empty pleasures that never give any real satisfaction in this life or the next. Also, CHRISTIANITY IS NOT FREEDOM! No person is truly free; only the Almighty is free. The apostle Paul always referred to himself as a servant (a slave in some versions) and he truly meant it. A servant, especially a slave, of Christ cannot do what he wants. Paul said that we should no longer knowingly sin against our Creator, and playing games is sinful. Everything that isn't of God's will is sin- and does God want us to play video games? Of course not! It’s horrible that some people try to justify playing games. God doesn’t want any of His saints wasting their time on empty pleasures that never give any real satisfaction in this life or the next. Also, CHRISTIANITY IS NOT FREEDOM! No person is truly free; only the Almighty is free. The apostle Paul always referred to himself as a servant (a slave in some versions) and he truly meant it. A servant, especially a slave, of Christ cannot do what he wants. Paul said that we should no longer knowingly sin against our Creator, and playing games is sinful. Everything that isn’t of God’s will is sin- and does God want us to play video games? Of course not!

]]> By: Rudy http://www.bruceongames.com/2008/02/08/the-bible-v-video-games/comment-page-1/#comment-2393 Rudy Sat, 07 Jun 2008 12:06:09 +0000 http://www.bruceongames.com/2008/02/08/the-bible-v-video-games/#comment-2393 there is a thread on develop mag website about all this that is raging on. http://www.developmag.com/news/29892/BBC-Newsnight-report-sparks-developer-unrest Rudy there is a thread on develop mag website about all this that is raging on.

http://www.developmag.com/news/29892/BBC-Newsnight-report-sparks-developer-unrest

Rudy

]]> By: wolf http://www.bruceongames.com/2008/02/08/the-bible-v-video-games/comment-page-1/#comment-2062 wolf Wed, 30 Apr 2008 20:56:01 +0000 http://www.bruceongames.com/2008/02/08/the-bible-v-video-games/#comment-2062 ok people, im a 16 year old teen. That loves to play video games and watch gory movies and im a christian. So because I play gory games with drugs and sexual content does that mean im a bad person? No, so people get over your self please!!!!!! wolf out ok people, im a 16 year old teen. That loves to play video games and watch gory movies and im a christian. So because I play gory games with drugs and sexual content does that mean im a bad person? No, so people get over your self please!!!!!!

wolf out

]]> By: Shane http://www.bruceongames.com/2008/02/08/the-bible-v-video-games/comment-page-1/#comment-1786 Shane Fri, 18 Apr 2008 14:54:09 +0000 http://www.bruceongames.com/2008/02/08/the-bible-v-video-games/#comment-1786 Many "Christians" will watch whatever on tv and play whatever video games they like because they don't care what God thinks in the first place. As a Christian, I can do what I want, because my sins have been forgiven regardless of what I do. But I live for Jesus because He died for me. Christianity is freedom, not rules. Many “Christians” will watch whatever on tv and play whatever video games they like because they don’t care what God thinks in the first place. As a Christian, I can do what I want, because my sins have been forgiven regardless of what I do. But I live for Jesus because He died for me. Christianity is freedom, not rules.

]]>